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re: fumble by Iowa DB that went into the LSU endzone
Posted on 1/2/14 at 2:08 pm to Kcrad
Posted on 1/2/14 at 2:08 pm to Kcrad
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Do I amuse you?
Yes, because suggesting that our guys screwed up by not picking the ball up, then talking about your team from way back when is hilarious. Like literally.
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Posted on 1/2/14 at 2:09 pm to NC_Tigah
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"Ball carrier A33 is running toward the Team B goal line. He drops the ball just inside the one-yard line and, thinking he has scored a touchdown, circles through the end zone and runs to his team area. There is no touchdown signal by any official. The fumbled ball hits the ground just outside or just inside the goal line, rolls along the ground in the end zone, and is declared dead there when it comes to rest and no player attempts to recover it. RULING: Touchdown. The ball belongs
to the team last in possession at the dead-ball spot. By definition an awarded fumble in the opponent’s end zone is a touchdown. (Rule 7-2-5)"
Found on Page 45 of the Rulebook
Rule 7, Section 2, Article 4, Subpart c
c. Behind or Beyond Goal Line. When a fumble or backward pass goes out of bounds behind or beyond a goal line, it is a safety or touchback depending on impetus and responsibility
(Rules 8-5-1, 8-6-1 and 8-7) (A.R. 7-2-4-I,
A.R. 8-6-1-I and A.R. 8-7-2-I).
Now to "impetus and responsibility". We have a rule for that.
Rule 8, Section 7, Article 1
"The team responsible for the ball being out of bounds behind a goal line or being dead in the possession of a player on, above or behind a goal
line is the team whose player carries the ball or imparts an impetus to it that forces it on, above or across the goal line, or is responsible for a loose ball being on, above or behind the goal line."
and Article 2, Subpart a
"The impetus imparted by a player who kicks, passes, snaps or fumbles the ball shall be considered responsible for the ball’s progress in
any direction even though its course is deflected or reversed after striking the ground or after touching an official or a player of either team"
Posted on 1/2/14 at 2:10 pm to PurpleAndGold86
I thought touchbacks were brought out to the 25 in college ball.
Posted on 1/2/14 at 2:10 pm to Kcrad
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I thought touchbacks were brought out to the 25 in college ball.
Only on kickoffs. Even punts are the 20.
Posted on 1/2/14 at 2:12 pm to EarthwormJim
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They would have to have seen him drop the ball before he reached the goal line, to even think about making a play on the ball.
The ref signalled TD, can't fault our guys for not jumping on every ball after a play is blown dead
A lot of coaching staffs will teach their players to pick up any football dropped on the ground by the opposition, and never assume a play is dead, especially under the scenario that played out yesterday. I bet we start seeing more and more coaches emphasize it now that the same play happened a couple of times this year.
Posted on 1/2/14 at 2:13 pm to LSU Jock 1970
What would have been the call if the LSU player had just kicked the ball out the back of the end zone when it was dropped - just kind of a "frick, I can't believe we let that mouth breather run one 71 yards back on us and I'm just pissed off enough to kick the ball out of sight right now" moment??
Posted on 1/2/14 at 2:14 pm to Kcrad
Don't come on here with anything resembling coaching question or the CLM police will haul you in quick LOL!
But reminded of the Honeybadger spike/drop before GL vs UGA 11 SECCG that was a second premature but the officials signalled TD and just missed the drop.
But reminded of the Honeybadger spike/drop before GL vs UGA 11 SECCG that was a second premature but the officials signalled TD and just missed the drop.
Posted on 1/2/14 at 2:17 pm to NC_Tigah
I understand the rule, but the problem I have is when the ref screws up and blows the play dead.
We're taught from peewee football that when the whistle blows, the play is over. That was not the case in this instance.
And there are others.
The fumble rule where you can "immediately" recover a fumble after the whistle blows comes to mind.
Had an LSU player blasted an Iowa player in order to pick up the ball in the end zone, would he have been penalized for a late hit?
These rules need more clarity if they are going to allow play to continue after the whistle has blown.
We're taught from peewee football that when the whistle blows, the play is over. That was not the case in this instance.
And there are others.
The fumble rule where you can "immediately" recover a fumble after the whistle blows comes to mind.
Had an LSU player blasted an Iowa player in order to pick up the ball in the end zone, would he have been penalized for a late hit?
These rules need more clarity if they are going to allow play to continue after the whistle has blown.
Posted on 1/2/14 at 2:19 pm to Informer
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A lot of coaching staffs will teach their players to pick up any football dropped on the ground by the opposition, and never assume a play is dead, especially under the scenario that played out yesterday. I bet we start seeing more and more coaches emphasize it now that the same play happened a couple of times this year.
Where do you people make this shite up from? Or are you all coaching insiders for multiple programs?Posted on 1/2/14 at 2:20 pm to Dark Tiger
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What would have been the call if the LSU player had just kicked the ball out the back of the end zone when it was dropped - just kind of a "frick, I can't believe we let that mouth breather run one 71 yards back on us and I'm just pissed off enough to kick the ball out of sight right now" moment??
a penalty on said player for an illegal kick to a live ball, thus same result, with a half the distance penalty added in.
Posted on 1/2/14 at 2:20 pm to TX Tiger
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but the problem I have is when the ref screws up and blows the play dead.
Jesus, some of you are acting like retards about this.. They didn't "blow the play dead". It was a ruled a touchdown. That call is very rarely seen in live speed by an official that is chasing the play down from behind. Had LSU fallen on the ball in the end zone, LSU would have been granted possession of the ball at their 20 yard line regardless of the original ruling on the field.
Posted on 1/2/14 at 2:21 pm to LNCHBOX
Damn Box, I guess they coach the kids different nowadays.
Posted on 1/2/14 at 2:22 pm to Dark Tiger
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What would have been the call if the LSU player had just kicked the ball out the back of the end zone when it was dropped - just kind of a "frick, I can't believe we let that mouth breather run one 71 yards back on us and I'm just pissed off enough to kick the ball out of sight right now" moment??
That would have been an unsportsmanlike penalty on LSU. LSU still would not have been granted possession of the ball since kicking a ball in frustration does not constitute possession. I seriously hope some of you retards are joking.
Posted on 1/2/14 at 2:23 pm to Kcrad
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Damn Box, I guess they coach the kids different nowadays.
Dude you don't even understand the rules of a touchback which have been in place for 2 years now. Your football wisdom is clearly lacking.
Posted on 1/2/14 at 2:25 pm to Kcrad
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Damn Box, I guess they coach the kids different nowadays.
Don't be obtuse. No one was close enough to see that ball dropped on the half yard line. Also, no program has people picking up the ball after every score.
This may be the worst attempt at criticizing Miles's coaching I've seen on here.
Posted on 1/2/14 at 2:26 pm to PurpleAndGold86
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That would have been an unsportsmanlike penalty on LSU. LSU still would not have been granted possession of the ball since kicking a ball in frustration does not constitute possession.
Actually it probably would be called LSU ball but penalized half the distance for unsportsmanlike. You don't have to have possession to get the ball for a fumble out the endzone.
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I seriously hope some of you retards are joking.
You may want to brush up on the rules before throwing out insults.
Posted on 1/2/14 at 2:27 pm to PurpleAndGold86
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That would have been an unsportsmanlike penalty on LSU. LSU still would not have been granted possession of the ball since kicking a ball in frustration does not constitute possession. I seriously hope some of you retards are joking.
But what if when he kicked the ball out of frustration it actually went through the uprights?? JK
Posted on 1/2/14 at 2:28 pm to LNCHBOX
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Actually it probably would be called LSU ball but penalized half the distance for unsportsmanlike. You don't have to have possession to get the ball for a fumble out the endzone.
You can't be that retarded that you think LSU would have been given possession for intentionally kicking the ball out of the back of the end zone. A live ball cannot be kicked. It would have been ruled dead.
Maybe you should brush up on the rules also buddy.
Posted on 1/2/14 at 2:29 pm to LNCHBOX
I'm not criticizing CLM at all. That starts at a young age. By the time a person is playing major college ball, the coaches assume the players know the basics.
What would you be saying today if an LSU player picked it up and ran it for a TD?
What would you be saying today if an LSU player picked it up and ran it for a TD?
Posted on 1/2/14 at 2:31 pm to PurpleAndGold86
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You can't be that retarded that you think LSU would have been given possession for intentionally kicking the ball out of the back of the end zone. A live ball cannot be kicked. It would have been ruled dead.
How the ball gets out of bounds is of no consequence in that instance. Sorry.
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