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re: Freeman "vs." BK Isn't the Correct Conversation

Posted on 1/21/25 at 12:20 am to
Posted by Sun God
Member since Jul 2009
46689 posts
Posted on 1/21/25 at 12:20 am to
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OSU was not on "cruise control."

Posted by nvasil1
Hellinois
Member since Oct 2009
16837 posts
Posted on 1/21/25 at 12:43 am to
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I think Freeman has already done a better job at ND than Kelly has.

Based on what? Winning major bowls in the expanded playoff?

I'm not trying to give you shite for your opinion either. I'm genuinely curious, because in past formats, ND may not have gotten a mulligan for the NIU loss.
Posted by LongTime Tiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2010
2555 posts
Posted on 1/21/25 at 1:23 am to
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Join a fricking conference then come tell me what you think.


NO, don't just join a conference. BIG!) has some validity but ACC is crap. Join the SEC and let's see how often you get out of an 8 game conference schedule with less than 3 losses, except in years you get a 'soft as Charmin schedule rotation" like Texas did.They drew only two reasonably tough games with Georgia(good) and aTm(fair). Florida ended strong but wasn't very good when they played cause Lagway hadn't bloomed yet.
Posted by SidewalkTiger
Midwest, USA
Member since Dec 2019
61053 posts
Posted on 1/21/25 at 2:00 am to
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Bogus takes like this are why I stick around. OSU was not on "cruise control." 


You are delusional.

They were destroying you in the passing game in the first half and then threw maybe 7 passes the entire second half.
Posted by dmatt2021
South LA
Member since Aug 2021
1601 posts
Posted on 1/21/25 at 4:20 am to
They were 1 fumble away from getting ran out the stadium
Posted by Sun God
Member since Jul 2009
46689 posts
Posted on 1/21/25 at 6:24 am to
And two extremely dumb gift penalties from OSU
Posted by stopitnow1
Florida
Member since Mar 2013
1580 posts
Posted on 1/26/25 at 2:41 am to
And he still hasn't done anything that Coach BK hasn't done. Got to the championship and the talent difference is why they lost again.
Posted by Sayhey24
Member since Jan 2025
26 posts
Posted on 1/26/25 at 12:55 pm to
“And he still hasn't done anything that Coach BK hasn't done.”

That’s simply not true…

He hasn’t faked an accent.
He hasn’t been nailed multiple times by the NCAA.
Round 1: He hasn’t had wins vacated. (I’ll not bore you with the full penalty list in the NCAA Public Infractions report.). Round 2: He hasn’t been penalized by the NCAA for recruiting violations.
He hasn’t ditched an undefeated team heading to the Sugar Bowl….
He hasn’t lost all his major post season Bowls. Kelly 0 (Kelly in 4th decade as HC, Freeman’s won 2 in 3 years as a HC)
Kelly is batting 0.000 in them for his entire career. (Had he stuck around for the Cinci Sugar Bowl he would have been walloped by FL there too.).
He hasn’t lost 8 games in a season.
He hasn’t put a kid in a scissor lift to film practice during a “dangerous wind advisory” resulting in the student’s death. (The grace of that student’s family spared massive legal trouble for him/others.)
He hasn’t had people falling asleep at the Cinci DMV during his motivational segment. (On YouTube very funny)
He hasn’t made racist remarks about his players. (See CMU).
He hasn’t claimed to have played LB in college only to be found out it was club ball. (That’s a funny wiki edit).
He hasn’t finished 3-5 in the MAC. In year 12 at ND, 2021, he did author a fabulous home opener come from behind win vs Toledo. ND was #8 and squeaked by 32-29… with 1:09 to play and ND trailing 29-24 Coan hit Mayer for an 18 yd TD taking a 30-29 lead, This sent the crowd into a goal post tear down frenzy (jk) and then ND converted the 2 pointer … riveting…
There’s more, but that’s off the top of my head…

LSU’s talent base, may overcome kelly and win a NC over time. However, his departure from ND coincided with a major change to the college football landscape.

The portal/NIL has leveled the playing field. It was 4 months young when Kelly departed. With that and the 12 team playoff, Alabama type domination may be a thing of the past and parity could be the new normal. So, what factors will set teams apart? Coaching’s a big one. To date Kelly can’t handle the post season crucible. Now it’s deeper. He’s already moved the LSU three year goalpost… the good news is that he’s feeling serious heat and will really buckle down now. I think he knows that if he misses the playoff's it will get white hot. I have a feeling that the LSU AD/hierarchy will not be as lax as ND’s…
This post was edited on 1/27/25 at 2:10 pm
Posted by spslayto
Member since Feb 2004
20914 posts
Posted on 1/26/25 at 1:14 pm to
How much have yall struggled with non power 5 teams under Freeman?
This post was edited on 1/26/25 at 1:19 pm
Posted by Sayhey24
Member since Jan 2025
26 posts
Posted on 1/27/25 at 9:16 am to
First 3 years at ND:
Kelly lost to Navy and Tulsa back to back year 1
He lost to South Florida to open the season at home year 2
His Navy, BYU, Pitt wins were wiped by the NCAA year 3
PS in year 12 Kelly, 2021, he squeaked out a W vs Toledo 32-29 and lost at home in week 5, ironically, to his former team Cincinnati… that was the only regular season loss

He had other losses to Navy, close calls with Ball State, Temple, his Rutgers bowl win was wiped

Freeman lost to Marshall year 1
Freeman lost to NIU year 3
Posted by stopitnow1
Florida
Member since Mar 2013
1580 posts
Posted on 1/27/25 at 3:12 pm to
Awww, someone's upset that their savior isn't what they expected and they got outplayed and out coached by OSU. No one will remember the team that lost the NC but everyone will remember the team that won. Back to the bottom middle for ND.
Posted by GentleJackJones
Member since Mar 2019
4629 posts
Posted on 1/27/25 at 3:59 pm to
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NO, don't just join a conference. BIG!) has some validity but ACC is crap. Join the SEC and let's see how often you get out of an 8 game conference schedule with less than 3 losses, except in years you get a 'soft as Charmin schedule rotation" like Texas did.They drew only two reasonably tough games with Georgia(good) and aTm(fair). Florida ended strong but wasn't very good when they played cause Lagway hadn't bloomed yet.


I'm with Mascona on their schedule. I'm not going to fault ND for their schedule. They can't help who is good and who isn't. They generally play a pretty solid, well rounded schedule and they never seem to have FCS schools littered in.

2024
@ Texas A&M
@ USC
FSU - Not ND's fault FSU was historically bad (especially after their past 2 seasons)
Louisville
@ Georgia Tech
Army
Navy

2023
Ohio State
@ Clemson
YSC
@ Louisville
@ NC State

2022
@ Ohio State
@ UNC
BYU
Clemson
Navy
@ USC

2021
@ FSU
Wisconsin
Cincinnati
@ Virginia Tech
USC
North Carolina
Navy
Georgia Tech


2019
@ Georgia
@ Louisville
USC
@ Michigan
Virginia Tech
Navy

Posted by GentleJackJones
Member since Mar 2019
4629 posts
Posted on 1/27/25 at 4:01 pm to
Look at the first 7 games of their 2025 schedule:

@ Miami
Texas A&M

Purdue
@ Arkansas
Boise State
USC
Navy

Posted by CollegeSportsDude
Member since Sep 2021
203 posts
Posted on 1/27/25 at 5:04 pm to
Geaux Away. ND would be irrelevant if not for easy schedules and a large rooting base that TV networks like to capitalize off of
Posted by HurricaneCamille
Member since Oct 2024
772 posts
Posted on 1/27/25 at 5:07 pm to
Dude, find a woman. Get a hobby. Is this the extent of all you have to offer life? Are you employed? Live at home?
Posted by Sun God
Member since Jul 2009
46689 posts
Posted on 1/27/25 at 5:31 pm to
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His Navy, BYU, Pitt wins were wiped by the NCAA year 3


quote:

Freeman lost to Marshall year 1 Freeman lost to NIU year 3

You forgot the Stanford L which might be the wirst of any of them
Posted by Sayhey24
Member since Jan 2025
26 posts
Posted on 1/27/25 at 7:17 pm to
There’s been some real bad ones.
I was responding to this question:

“How much have yall struggled with non power 5 teams under Freeman?”
Posted by White Tiger
Dallas
Member since Jul 2007
13164 posts
Posted on 1/28/25 at 2:22 pm to
This is an excellent post. Thank you.
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