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Found this little nugget from Kiffin about Saban. Meddling like O?
Posted on 1/11/18 at 10:27 am
Posted on 1/11/18 at 10:27 am
I'm not at all comparing Nick Saban with Ed Orgeron. They are not in the same class. But I watched this today and thought about everyone who claims that a HC should leave his coordinators alone and let them do their jobs. Well, FYI, that is not Saban's philosophy at all. Watch this clip of Kiffin when he was at Bama and you'll see what I mean.
I'm very nervous about the direction of the LSU program right now, but I'm not going to criticize O for "meddling" with his coordinators. I think good leaders have their hands in every aspect of a successful program, and I think they should. They shouldn't micromanage, but they have the right and the responsibility to be highly involved.
Kiffin talks about Saban watching film with him.
I'm very nervous about the direction of the LSU program right now, but I'm not going to criticize O for "meddling" with his coordinators. I think good leaders have their hands in every aspect of a successful program, and I think they should. They shouldn't micromanage, but they have the right and the responsibility to be highly involved.
Kiffin talks about Saban watching film with him.
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Posted on 1/11/18 at 10:31 am to tenacious
It is naive to think that a coordinator will have total autonomy and that their supervisor i.e. HC will not supervise, give opinions and even exercise some control
The coordinators fail, the "SH--" flows upwards.
and the coordinators serve at the pleasure of the HC.
The coordinators fail, the "SH--" flows upwards.
and the coordinators serve at the pleasure of the HC.
Posted on 1/11/18 at 10:31 am to tenacious
This thread will be downvoted into oblivion 
Most people on here are naive to think the HC doesn't meddle with all aspects of the team.
Most people on here are naive to think the HC doesn't meddle with all aspects of the team. 
Posted on 1/11/18 at 10:32 am to rbdallas
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It is naive to think that a coordinator will have total autonomy and that their supervisor i.e. HC will not supervise, give opinions and even exercise some control
exactly.
Posted on 1/11/18 at 10:32 am to tenacious
Saban has a clear view of what he wants in his offense beyond "pro style"
He's had the same offense throughout many OCs. Yes it has evolved with how offense has evolved, but it hasn't drastically changed ever.
He's had the same offense throughout many OCs. Yes it has evolved with how offense has evolved, but it hasn't drastically changed ever.
Posted on 1/11/18 at 10:34 am to tenacious
How dare you! Everyone knows that Saban is the greatest ever and no one can be compared to him! He craps diamonds, and pisses Perrier!
Posted on 1/11/18 at 10:34 am to tenacious
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But I watched this today and thought about everyone who claims that a HC should leave his coordinators alone and let them do their jobs.
Nobody claims that. That is what O sold to the fans when the fool was hired. Most of us have repeatedly said that it was a horrible idea and would never work. We are all being proven correct.
Posted on 1/11/18 at 10:34 am to LSUDonMCO
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Everyone knows that Saban is the greatest ever and no one can be compared to him
This is a true statement without the sarcasm. He's better than the bear.
Posted on 1/11/18 at 10:35 am to TH03
What I saw in the second half of the Natty was not a typical Saban offense. It was drastically different. They ran HUNO the entire second half. I don't know what your definition of "drastic" is, but that offense was drastically different from a Nick Saban team for the first 2/3 of his coaching career.
Posted on 1/11/18 at 10:36 am to tenacious
Saban has won 6 national titles and has been a proven he can build and sustain a championship program.
O was 10-25 in his only head coaching job and sold himself to the admin (and they astonishingly bought it) that he would focus on his strong suit, recruiting, and use the money saved by hiring him to a relatively low salary and hire the top coordinators in the country. By doing this he could turn over the game planning and play calling to those highly qualified men.
O was 10-25 in his only head coaching job and sold himself to the admin (and they astonishingly bought it) that he would focus on his strong suit, recruiting, and use the money saved by hiring him to a relatively low salary and hire the top coordinators in the country. By doing this he could turn over the game planning and play calling to those highly qualified men.
Posted on 1/11/18 at 10:37 am to tenacious
Stop comparing Ed Funching Orgeron to Nick Saban. It’s beyond stupid.
Posted on 1/11/18 at 10:37 am to tenacious
They do, and they should. With one exception.
LSU.
LSU is the only school that hired an unqualified failure of a HC with the stated model that he’s completely dependent on his coordinators.
You don’t get to trot that model out and then do a 180 saying “of course he should meddle because other coaches do.”
Other coaches were qualified for their jobs. Orgeron was not.
LSU.
LSU is the only school that hired an unqualified failure of a HC with the stated model that he’s completely dependent on his coordinators.
You don’t get to trot that model out and then do a 180 saying “of course he should meddle because other coaches do.”
Other coaches were qualified for their jobs. Orgeron was not.
This post was edited on 1/11/18 at 10:40 am
Posted on 1/11/18 at 10:38 am to INFIDEL
Fair enough, but there are many people who are criticizing him for "meddling" with Canada because they think he didn't have the right to do such a thing. Personally, I thought Canada's offense was pretty bad, especially in the early season, and I would've meddled too.
Posted on 1/11/18 at 10:39 am to Solo Cam
No kidding solo lol, Ed orgeron has been a life time defensive line coach, he doesn't know offense he needs to stay out of the way like he said he would
Posted on 1/11/18 at 10:39 am to Topwater Trout
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This thread will be downvoted into oblivion Most people on here are naive to think the HC doesn't meddle with all aspects of the team.
The title of head coach doesn't confer the expertise to modify game plans, only the authority.
Just because all HCs modify game plans doesn't mean all should.
This post was edited on 1/11/18 at 10:41 am
Posted on 1/11/18 at 10:39 am to Solo Cam
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Stop comparing Ed Funching Orgeron to Nick Saban. It’s beyond stupid.
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I'm not at all comparing Nick Saban with Ed Orgeron. They are not in the same class.
Do you even read?
Posted on 1/11/18 at 10:41 am to tenacious
He's had HUNH concepts ever since he failed at trying to ban it. They put a QB in with a way better arm in the 2nd half so obviously they had more down field throws. They couldn't do anything so they changed the game plan to win. They basically ran the same offense that can beat them.
Hurts and now Tua shows he's evolving with the game and recruting DT QBs. Of course if you compare year 3 to this year, it'll look much different, but his changes have been gradual and still have survived 3 OCs the last 2 years.
Hurts and now Tua shows he's evolving with the game and recruting DT QBs. Of course if you compare year 3 to this year, it'll look much different, but his changes have been gradual and still have survived 3 OCs the last 2 years.
Posted on 1/11/18 at 10:42 am to tenacious
quote:Yeah. You compared Saban to O and then said you weren’t comparing them.
Do you even read?
Your entire logic was that O is doing something that Saban did.
That’s comparing dumbass.
This post was edited on 1/11/18 at 10:44 am
Posted on 1/11/18 at 10:42 am to tenacious
quote:of course. Every reasonable person knows this.
I think good leaders have their hands in every aspect of a successful program, and I think they should. They shouldn't micromanage, but they have the right and the responsibility to be highly involved.
That's why this new model that Alleva's trying (that literally NO ONE in the sports or corporate world has used) is destined to fail. It just can't work.
Hell, if hiring the best coordinators (sigh) and leaving them alone is all the HC is going to go, then hire me. I can do that.
Posted on 1/11/18 at 10:46 am to TH03
OK, but what he's running now is dramatically different than what he ran at LSU and Alabama for most of his career. They weren't running this offense with Brody Croyle, John Parker Wilson, Greg McElroy, AJ McCarron, etc. The past 3 or 4 seasons have been a drastic departure.
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