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re: Former LSU players had high praise for Coach Orgeron and his staff

Posted on 1/21/19 at 8:40 pm to
Posted by RB10
Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 1/21/19 at 8:40 pm to
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See the problem is, you have made blanket statements that I haven't provided any stats (I have) and have failed to identify where, specifically, I am wrong.


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I'll tell you what, you show me all the things I've made up, specifically, and maybe then you will know what an actual debate is. Otherwise, it's impossible to take you seriously.


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LSU's best wins in 2015 turned out to be to #25 10-4 Florida, and outside of Alabama, the SEC in 2015 was one of the weaker years we've seen in quite awhile. Not a bunch of bad teams but a whole lot of mediocre, although I guess to be fair Ole Miss was pretty good as much as I hate to admit it.



Made up.

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In 2018 the SEC (not including LSU) combined to go 113-69. The West went 56-35 and had 2 teams with losing records, including 2-10 Arkansas.

In 2015 the SEC (not including LSU) combined to go 111-69. The West went 61-32 and had 0 teams with losing records.


Pointed out and proven wrong.

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And what did the East do? What teams in the East did LSU play in 2015 compared to who they played this year? What were their records and where did they finish the season in the final AP poll? We played the two best teams from the East this year, two teams that finished in the top 10. In 2015, our two SEC opponents, Florida and South Carolina, finished with 4 and 9 losses respectively, Florida finishing the season at #25.


Made up.


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2015 LSU's SEC opponents finished 69-37.
2018 LSU's SEC opponents finished 67-38.


Pointed out and proven wrong.

Should I continue?
This post was edited on 1/21/19 at 8:43 pm
Posted by RB10
Member since Nov 2010
52225 posts
Posted on 1/21/19 at 8:42 pm to
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So all schedules are equal? Was UCF at 13-1 just slightly worse Alabama's at 14-1? Was Cincinnati at 11-2 more or less comparable with Oklahoma at 12-2? Or is context necessary to evaluate the relative strengths of those records? If only there was some poll out there where people did that


They're more equal than top 25 rankings that you continue to use without context of the number of team with 2 or fewer losses being at an alarming low in 2018.

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I know right? Which is why it's so odd you honestly think citing the collective record of an entire conference in two different years is persuasive


Again, it's more accurate than using the rankings.
Posted by Madking
Member since Apr 2016
70810 posts
Posted on 1/21/19 at 8:42 pm to
Sorry you’re wrong again, I’m very happy but that’s Probly because my happiness isn’t tied to a college football team and also why I can be objective about the reality of that program. Thanks again for proving my point.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
299716 posts
Posted on 1/21/19 at 8:43 pm to
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Where’s our 6th place in the opinion poll trophy?


You need participation trophies, that explains everything


I'm sorry little man, they don't give those to adults.
Posted by Madking
Member since Apr 2016
70810 posts
Posted on 1/21/19 at 8:43 pm to
Lol The irony is palpable
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
299716 posts
Posted on 1/21/19 at 8:44 pm to
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Sorry you’re wrong again, I’m very happy



Oh suuure

That's why your here crying every day seeking participation trophies
Posted by lsufball19
Franklin, TN
Member since Sep 2008
73610 posts
Posted on 1/21/19 at 8:45 pm to
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Is 2018 Florida (10-3) better than 2015 Ole Miss (10-3). The rankings say they are.

They finished all of two spots lower than Florida. I'd say they are very comparable teams with very comparable resumes. Funny how the final polls reflect just that.
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Ole Miss was the highest ranked 3 loss team in 2015. They were 12th.

Ole Miss finished in the top 10 bud, 9 in the coaches and 10 in the AP
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This is why using rankings is alone is a joke.


Well, you seem to want to completely ignore them, which is also a joke.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
299716 posts
Posted on 1/21/19 at 8:46 pm to
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I'd say they are very comparable teams with very comparable resumes.


Ole Miss kicked our arse
Posted by RB10
Member since Nov 2010
52225 posts
Posted on 1/21/19 at 8:49 pm to
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They finished all of two spots lower than Florida. I'd say they are very comparable teams with very comparable resumes. Funny how the final polls reflect just that.


So they finished lower than Florida, with the same records, but the rankings say they were better.

Exhibit A of why rankings are a joke to use. Thanks for straightening that out.

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Ole Miss finished in the top 10 bud, 9 in the coaches and 10 in the AP


I was looking at the Playoff poll.

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Well, you seem to want to completely ignore them, which is also a joke.


If I can use a teams' record, I don't much care where they're ranked. Rankings are a good measure for the top 3-4 teams you face, and a worthless measure for anything else. Records are a good measure from top to bottom.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
299716 posts
Posted on 1/21/19 at 8:50 pm to
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Records are a good measure from top to bottom.


Across seasons, nah.
Posted by Madking
Member since Apr 2016
70810 posts
Posted on 1/21/19 at 8:50 pm to
Lmfao I guess we can add projection to the many childish tactics you use.
Posted by lsufball19
Franklin, TN
Member since Sep 2008
73610 posts
Posted on 1/21/19 at 8:51 pm to
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Made up.

Notice I said "one of the weaker" not THE WEAKEST. Reading is your friend. You know what you would need to do to say I made that up? Go through the SEC over the last 10-15 years and show me how I'm wrong. But here you are going off on a tangent because of your lack of reading comprehension.

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Made up.


Oh I made up that Florida and South carolina were LSU's east opponents in 2015 and that they finished with 4 and 9 losses respectively. I made up that Florida finished 2015 ranked #25. I made up that LSU played the two best teams in the East this year (final record, SEC record, final ranking, take your pick). So please tell me how that is made up. Those are all objective facts. Using your words, a 2 minute google search can verify that.
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Pointed out and proven wrong.

So you pointed out the above objective fact regarding LSU's east opponents in 215 was wrong by posting the overall record of LSU's SEC opponents in 2015? Are you high?
Posted by Tiger1988
Houston
Member since May 2016
30775 posts
Posted on 1/21/19 at 8:51 pm to
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Miles would still have his job, if these facts were not true.

I wanted his sorry arse gone. The program is a joke and not taken seriously by anyone outside of BR. Believe me it isn’t in Houston and recruiting is showing it. TAMU, UT, are owning recruiting and you need not look any further than old bug eyes tab tAMU who was on this staff in 2016 and was canned when O took over.

This is one area that recruiting has taken a shot load of hurt. Schools like LaMarque, Texas City, Dickinson, North Shore, Pearland, Katy are all talented and where are the recruits? Lost to TAMU. Like it or not, losing Houston is a long term problem.
Then Jombo is gonna cherry pick La. 3 years and all things equal, Ole Miss will pass LSU in the West. These are shaky times and belief in the system/process is critical.
Just HOPE ANS PARY for Saban to retire and Dabo to go to the NFL.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
299716 posts
Posted on 1/21/19 at 8:52 pm to
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Lmfao I guess we can add projection to the many childish tactics you use.


You should chill little fella. Don't need to blow a gasket in the offseason... if starting to worry about you
Posted by Madking
Member since Apr 2016
70810 posts
Posted on 1/21/19 at 8:53 pm to
What a sad little person you are. It’s truly pathetic, I’ve reduced you to “I know you are but what am I” posts just stop embarrassing yourself man save what little face you have.
This post was edited on 1/21/19 at 8:56 pm
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
299716 posts
Posted on 1/21/19 at 8:54 pm to
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wanted his sorry arse gone


Man you just hate all of them, eh?
Posted by RB10
Member since Nov 2010
52225 posts
Posted on 1/21/19 at 8:54 pm to
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Notice I said "one of the weaker" not THE WEAKEST. Reading is your friend. You know what you would need to do to say I made that up?


You tried to present this like 2018 was a tougher conference, overall, than 2015.

This was thoroughly debunked with overall records for every SEC team.

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Oh I made up that Florida and South carolina were LSU's east opponents in 2015 and that they finished with 4 and 9 losses respectively. I made up that Florida finished 2015 ranked #25. I made up that LSU played the two best teams in the East this year (final record, SEC record, final ranking, take your pick). So please tell me how that is made up. Those are all objective facts. Using your words, a 2 minute google search can verify that.


Nah, you just tried to paint a picture of LSU's SEC opponents being better overall in 2018 than they were in 2015.

Once again, thoroughly debunked with overall records for LSU's opponents.

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So you pointed out the above objective fact regarding LSU's east opponents in 215 was wrong by posting the overall record of LSU's SEC opponents in 2015? Are you high?


No, I pointed out the LSU's SEC schedule was as tough, or tougher, in 2015. Which was the overall arch of your attempted point.
Posted by RB10
Member since Nov 2010
52225 posts
Posted on 1/21/19 at 8:55 pm to
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Across seasons, nah


Rankings across seasons are just fine though, right?
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
299716 posts
Posted on 1/21/19 at 8:56 pm to
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I’ve rediced you to


English, hombre?

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know you are but what am I” posts just stop embarrassing yourself man save what little face you have.


The desperate last gasp of a loser
Posted by lsufball19
Franklin, TN
Member since Sep 2008
73610 posts
Posted on 1/21/19 at 8:56 pm to
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They're more equal than top 25 rankings that you continue to use without context of the number of team with 2 or fewer losses being at an alarming low in 2018.

Ok then, provide context as to why you think the number of 2 loss teams in 2018 compared to 2015 is relevant or persuasive. Stating you think it is without why isn't persuasive at all.
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Again, it's more accurate than using the rankings.

no, it's really not. Without providing context on the schedules, that stat is useless. At least polls take into account who teams won and lost to. Posting a blanket collective record of 14 teams without knowing who those teams made is an awful argument. I think you know this but I don't expect you to admit it at this point.
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