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re: Former LSU players had high praise for Coach Orgeron and his staff
Posted on 1/21/19 at 7:46 pm to lsufball19
Posted on 1/21/19 at 7:46 pm to lsufball19
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I meant not getting blown out 3 straight games. So you read my entire post and took one part, out of context, and chose to reply, completely ignoring the rest? You know, the part where I said Orgeron hasn't earned the right to be compared to Miles, etc....you know things you probably agree with. But seems to me you're looking to argue, so have at it.
If I don't respond to a part of your post, I agree with it. Quit being a bitch about it.
Also, I didn't take that out of context. You said the results after Alabama were ugly. Well, they were pretty ugly this season too. The only real difference is that the 2015 team didn't get the luxury of sleepwalking through two wins against teams that combined for 4 wins on the season.
That, my friend, is taking everything into account.
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Posted on 1/21/19 at 7:46 pm to RB10
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ETA: The 2018 season was definitely better than the 2015 season, but not because the losses were "better".
Well the losses were better IMO, but so were the wins. LSU's best wins in 2015 turned out to be to #25 10-4 Florida, and outside of Alabama, the SEC in 2015 was one of the weaker years we've seen in quite awhile. Not a bunch of bad teams but a whole lot of mediocre, although I guess to be fair Ole Miss was pretty good as much as I hate to admit it.
Posted on 1/21/19 at 7:50 pm to RB10
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If I don't respond to a part of your post, I agree with it. Quit being a bitch about it.
I'm not being a bitch. You just come across as a know-it-all a-hole when all you do is argue and never overtly concede that you may agree with certain points. If you don't want to get called out for doing that, then maybe learn how to express yourself better.
For instance, if I'm discussing an issue with someone and they fail to address 95% of what was said, I don't assume the person agreed with the rest. I would take it as they either disagreed or ignored it, as would most logical people.
Posted on 1/21/19 at 7:52 pm to lsufball19
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I'm not being a bitch. You just come across as a know-it-all a-hole when all you do is argue and never overtly concede that you may agree with certain points. If you don't want to get called out for doing that, then maybe learn how to express yourself better.
Posted on 1/21/19 at 7:52 pm to lsufball19
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LSU's best wins in 2015 turned out to be to #25 10-4 Florida, and outside of Alabama, the SEC in 2015 was one of the weaker years we've seen in quite awhile. Not a bunch of bad teams but a whole lot of mediocre, although I guess to be fair Ole Miss was pretty good as much as I hate to admit it.
In 2018 the SEC (not including LSU) combined to go 113-69. The West went 56-35 and had 2 teams with losing records, including 2-10 Arkansas.
In 2015 the SEC (not including LSU) combined to go 111-69. The West went 61-32 and had 0 teams with losing records.
This post was edited on 1/21/19 at 8:02 pm
Posted on 1/21/19 at 7:54 pm to lsufball19
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I'm not being a bitch. You just come across as a know-it-all a-hole when all you do is argue and never overtly concede that you may agree with certain points. If you don't want to get called out for doing that, then maybe learn how to express yourself better.
It's really easy to come across this way when you're constantly arguing with people who use nothing but their opinions, like you and Roger do.
It's too easy to dispute with 2 minutes of research, and I do it. If you don't like it, stop presenting your opinion as fact.
Posted on 1/21/19 at 7:58 pm to RB10
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It's really easy to come across this way when you're constantly arguing with people who use nothing but their opinions, like you and Roger do.
Nah, you just get pissed off too easily, try to change the question when your stumped and throw meaningless "facts" that dont even relate across seasons. You also avoid shite you cannot answer.
Because your stuck in the past and cannot escape.
This post was edited on 1/21/19 at 7:59 pm
Posted on 1/21/19 at 8:00 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Nah, you just get pissed off too easily, try to change the question when your stumped and throw meaningless "facts" that dont even relate across seasons. You also avoid shite you cannot answer.
Meaningless facts that directly dispute just about everything you people keep trying to claim.
Shocker.
Posted on 1/21/19 at 8:00 pm to RB10
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Meaningless facts
You copy and paste lil Ricky
Posted on 1/21/19 at 8:01 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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You copy and paste lil Ricky
At least I present tangible data and not just my opinion.
Posted on 1/21/19 at 8:02 pm to RB10
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At least I present tangible data and not just my opinion.
Posted on 1/21/19 at 8:04 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Nah, you just get pissed off too easily, try to change the question when your stumped and throw meaningless "facts" that dont even relate across seasons. Because your stuck in the past and cannot escape.
I just re-read many of their negative knee-deep bullshite responses to this positive thread about LSU football, suddenly I feel the need to take another shower to clean myself off.
This post was edited on 1/21/19 at 8:07 pm
Posted on 1/21/19 at 8:04 pm to RB10
You have to understand that when the agenda is above all els facts don’t matter. They’re either called meaningless or they’re simply ignored. Their can’t be an objective conversation because LSU or the program isn’t what’s being defended or protected or even discussed, the entire idea is to hold 0 above everything. He cannot be questioned and must be shown in a positive light nomatter the reality of the situation.
This post was edited on 1/21/19 at 8:07 pm
Posted on 1/21/19 at 8:05 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Perfectly sums up your contribution to every thread. I couldn't have said it better myself.
Posted on 1/21/19 at 8:06 pm to RB10
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couldn't have said it better myself.
Of course not because that's exactly how you come across
This post was edited on 1/21/19 at 8:07 pm
Posted on 1/21/19 at 8:06 pm to RB10
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In 2018 he SEC (not including LSU) combined to go 103-69. The West went 56-35 and had 2 teams with losing records, including 2-10 Arkansas.
And what did the East do? What teams in the East did LSU play in 2015 compared to who they played this year? What were their records and where did they finish the season in the final AP poll? We played the two best teams from the East this year, two teams that finished in the top 10. In 2015, our two SEC opponents, Florida and South Carolina, finished with 4 and 9 losses respectively, Florida finishing the season at #25.
And citing overall records? You do know how bad that argument is don't you? When most teams in this league are playing at least 3 games against pretty poor teams OOC, overall records aren't going tell us very much. SEC records are going to be exactly the same every year. So if this is going to be your angle, what did the OOC schedules look like when comparing the two years? It means little to nothing because OOC games are not all created equal.
2018 saw 6 SEC teams finish the year in the top 16. 2015 saw 3. In 2018, LSU played 4 of the 5 teams (obviously not including LSU) who finished in the top 16. In 2015, LSU only played 2 teams that finished in the top 16.
I am curious, however... why are you so adamant to argue these points when you have already conceded you agree with my overall conclusion that the 2018 team was better than the 2015 team.
Posted on 1/21/19 at 8:07 pm to lsufball19
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I am curious, however... why are you so adamant to argue these points when you have already conceded you agree with my overall conclusion that the 2018 team was better than the 2015 team.
Posted on 1/21/19 at 8:14 pm to lsufball19
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And what did the East do? What teams in the East did LSU play in 2015 compared to who they played this year? What were their records and where did they finish the season in the final AP poll? We played the two best teams from the East this year, two teams that finished in the top 10. In 2015, our two SEC opponents, Florida and South Carolina, finished with 4 and 9 losses respectively, Florida finishing the season at #25.
2015 LSU's SEC opponents finished 69-37.
2018 LSU's SEC opponents finished 67-38.
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And citing overall records? You do know how bad that argument is don't you? When most teams in this league are playing at least 3 games against pretty poor teams OOC, overall records aren't going tell us very much. SEC records are going to be exactly the same every year. So if this is going to be your angle, what did the OOC schedules look like when comparing the two years? It means little to nothing because OOC games are not all created equal.
Overall records aren't a good indicator of how good a conference, or team, is now? This is a joke, right?
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2018 saw 6 SEC teams finish the year in the top 16. 2015 saw 3. In 2018, LSU played 4 of the 5 teams (obviously not including LSU) who finished in the top 16. In 2015, LSU only played 2 teams that finished in the top 16.
Overall records aren't a good indicator of how good a team is, but rankings are?
Yeah, that's logical.
You want to push rankings while ignoring that 2018 had one of the fewest number of 2 loss teams in the last 2 decades, at least. Maybe you should acknowledge that can severely skew where a team ends up ranked.
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I am curious, however... why are you so adamant to argue these points when you have already conceded you agree with my overall conclusion that the 2018 team was better than the 2015 team.
Because you're still making shite up. To this point, everything you've posted about 2015's SEC being easier has been debunked with minimal web browsing.
This post was edited on 1/21/19 at 8:17 pm
Posted on 1/21/19 at 8:20 pm to RB10
quote:It's really easy to come across that way when talking to people like you always do. And not presenting my opinion with facts? Seriously? I provided objective facts in support of my argument. What you did was then twist the same set of facts to suit the point you wanted to make. Like I said, statistics are very easy to manipulate. It's really not difficult. That doesn't make your opinion (yes it's an opinion) any more "right."
It's really easy to come across this way when you're constantly arguing with people who use nothing but their
The problem is you are incapable of even attempting to find common ground. You think you are 100% right and anyone who disagrees with any part of your stance on a subject is an idiot. I mean look at yourself, you have now spent 2 days and 26 pages arguing in circles. I hate to be the one to break it to you, but posting pages of stats you gerrymandered to your liking doesn't prove anything when what you are doing is forming an opinion and then finding the stats to back up your opinion. Not, taking all the stats and objective facts available and then forming an opinion based upon evaluating those facts.
People do this every day on here. Ed Orgeron is an easy example. I haven't made up my mind on whether I believe he'll do any better than Miles did, but what i do know is there is a very large vocal group that hate him and a vocal group that love him. Those that love him will tailor stats to make Orgeron look better than he is and ignore stats that hurt that argument. And those that hate him do the opposite. That type of arguing is very much like what you are doing.
You have ignored objective facts presented and have gone as far to say none were provided (my favorite part) and then claimed I have stated my pinion as fact, which is exactly what you're doing
Sorry, but both of our opinions are just that, opinions. You supporting your opinion with a few stats you pull doesn't make your opinion right or infallible.This post was edited on 1/21/19 at 8:22 pm
Posted on 1/21/19 at 8:23 pm to lsufball19
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I hate to be the one to break it to you, but posting pages of stats you gerrymandered to your liking doesn't prove anything when what you are doing is forming an opinion and then finding the stats to back up your opinion.
I haven't gerrymandered anything in our discussion. I've straight up posted W-L records.
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You have ignored objective facts presented and have gone as far to say none were provided (my favorite part) and then claimed I have stated my pinion as fact, which is exactly what you're doing Sorry, but both of our opinions are just that, opinions. You supporting your opinion with a few stats you pull doesn't make your opinion right or infallible.
You still haven't presented facts. You've literally given nothing but your opinion, which is really bad way to approach an argument when you're being presented with straight forward facts.
You're the 2nd person I've had to explain this to today. This is elementary school level thinking.
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