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Posted on 11/16/10 at 1:16 pm to rintintin
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That's such bullshite. If they can't get up for every game and beat them on the field, then they don't deserve to win the Championship. It isn't a talent championship. Should we just crown the team with the #1 recruiting class the champion and not even play out the season?
There are so many teams in D-1 football, most of who never even get the chance to play each other, that it's illogical to think that just b/c team A is undefeated and Team B isn't, team A is better.
so the new york football giants were the best team in NFL a couple of years ago? Despite the Pats going undefeated and beating the giants already? You sure the giants didnt just get hot at the right time?
Posted on 11/16/10 at 1:17 pm to rintintin
Not to mention, a team like Boise or TCU have to perform exceptionally well two seasons in a row to even have a shot at winning the National championship.
If there were a playoff they would have a shot by winning their conference. There is no logical reason not to support a playoff system
If there were a playoff they would have a shot by winning their conference. There is no logical reason not to support a playoff system
Posted on 11/16/10 at 1:21 pm to SaltyTiger53
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What about highschool playoffs. No one has any complaints about that system. The season and rankings are very relevant!
NFL football playoffs also are a solid system that no one disputes.
However, everyone has some issue each year with the BCS system and rightfully so. I think the playoffs are a proven system at many levels, unlike this foolish computer system we use currently at the college level.
For example Oregon is Ranked higher than Auburn. There is no logic for this whatsoever.
Exact, wildcards are for children. Give everybody another chance.
bullshite.
Look at MLB, the advent of the wildcard came after some 90 years of post-season play. And why did they include the wildcards - to make the season more interesting? No, just for money.
The only playoff I would want to see is just conference champions. The problem is that I just know that if they ever ghave a playoff, they will eventually introduce wildcard teams.
If you're going to get rid of the BCS, get rid of it - don't use it for seeding.
6 major conference champions and the, 2 best minor conference champs based on SOS.
No 'wildcards'.
No 'at-large'.
Besides all of that, my main disagreement with a playoff system to determine a champion is that it puts too much emphasis on the championship at the end of the season.
Posted on 11/16/10 at 1:25 pm to Adam Banks
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so the new york football giants were the best team in NFL a couple of years ago? Despite the Pats going undefeated and beating the giants already? You sure the giants didnt just get hot at the right time?
So the NFL should implement the BCS to prevent this?
How many times was LSU the number one seed when they won the college world series? Maybe once but I am thinking zero.....so all those titles are in question b/c whoever was the best during the regular season didn't win?
I think your arguement should be to crown champions in all sports at end of regular season. It would prevent any team other than the best one during regular season from winning a championship. You argue that playoffs don't crown true champions and that the BCS does......how many BCS champs have won with there being no scrutiny in who played or who didn't get to play?
Posted on 11/16/10 at 1:29 pm to DocBugbear
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I would actually go for 10 teams (just like the number chosen for the BCS). 6 champs and 4 at large. The 4 lowest seeds have to play in a "wild card" round to make the final 8.
if being a conference champion doesnt automatically qualify you for one of the top 6 spots then i could see this.
Posted on 11/16/10 at 1:29 pm to Adam Banks
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so the new york football giants were the best team in NFL a couple of years ago? Despite the Pats going undefeated and beating the giants already? You sure the giants didnt just get hot at the right time?
At the end of the season, yes they were the best, and they had a chance to prove it. They almost beat the Pats late in the regular season, so to think the Pats were head and shoulders better than them just b/c they were undefeated is absurd. You can't compare how good 2 teams are just by their records.
Also, you can't compare the NFL with college football, they are 2 totally different monsters. The NFL has 32 teams, D-1 football has 120 teams. Pitting 2 teams against each other for the Championship out of a pool of 120, also considering the majority of them don't even play against each other or even the same teams, is simply unfair.
Posted on 11/16/10 at 1:31 pm to Topwater Trout
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How many times was LSU the number one seed when they won the college world series? Maybe once but I am thinking zero.....so all those titles are in question b/c whoever was the best during the regular season didn't win?
You keep wanting to compare college football to other sports.
College football is unique.
It's popular.
Why should they change it when it's so popular?
And please SPARE ME the, "Well then why don't they change all the other sports to be like college football?" response.
I want to know if it's so popular, where is the incentive to change it?
Posted on 11/16/10 at 1:31 pm to Topwater Trout
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those titles are in question b/c whoever was the best during the regular season didn't win?
I think your arguement should be to crown champions in all sports at end of regular season. It would prevent any team other than the best one during regular season from winning a championship. You argue that playoffs don't crown true champions and that the BCS does......how many BCS champs have won with there being no scrutiny in who played or who didn't get to play?
and this
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Posted on 11/16/10 at 1:41 pm to rintintin
The whole point of a playoff in any sport is to determine who the best team is on the field because their schedules were not the same thus making their records a good measuring stick, but not the determining factor in deciding the best team.
All college sports need this more than pros due to the number of teams playing. How else can a team like tcu or Boise get a shot every year or in this years case prove they don't belong.
All college sports need this more than pros due to the number of teams playing. How else can a team like tcu or Boise get a shot every year or in this years case prove they don't belong.
Posted on 11/16/10 at 1:45 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
quote:So you think a 8-4 Big East Champ that plays in no conference championship game deserves to play for a National Championship over a 11-1 SEC team that may have tied for their division but lost out playing in the conference championship game on a tiebreaker. Who is rewarding mediocrity now? All conferences are not equal, therefore a conference championship does not mean the same in the ACC, Big East, Mountain West and SEC. The only way to allow for the inequality in strength of conference is to have at-large teams from the conferences with more than one deserving team.
6 major conference champions and the, 2 best minor conference champs based on SOS.
No 'wildcards'.
No 'at-large'
Posted on 11/16/10 at 1:47 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
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Why should they change it when it's so popular?
Because it is unfair. Just b/c it is popular doesn't mean it's right.
Actually this is what makes it so wrong, they know it's popular b/c all of the controversy every year, which puts $$$ in their pockets.
Do you think college football would actually LOSE popularity just b/c a playoff is implemented? I am willing to bet that 7 playoff games (if it was an 8 team playoff) would get just as much, if not more, ratings than the current BCS bowls. shite, some of the current BCS matchups are so bad I don't even watch them.
Posted on 11/16/10 at 1:53 pm to XbengalTiger
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So you think a 8-4 Big East Champ that plays in no conference championship game deserves to play for a National Championship over a 11-1 SEC team that may have tied for their division but lost out playing in the conference championship game on a tiebreaker.
Yes.
Have a Champion of Champions.
I don't want to see the conference championships diminished to the point of NFL conference champinships - or worse yet, SEC Baseball championships.
How many national championships did LSU win in baseball in the 90's?
How many SEC championships did LSU win in the 90's?
How many SEC football championships did LSU win in the 80's?
The SEC championship in baseball is meaningless. I don't want to see that happen in football.
Posted on 11/16/10 at 1:56 pm to rintintin
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Because it is unfair.
ANY system where you're trying to determine a champion out of 120 teams over the course of 16 weeks is going to be unfair. Wah.
So many people seem to think that controversy is to be avoided at all costs.
I think the controversy in college football is great and adds to the game.
Posted on 11/16/10 at 1:59 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
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You keep wanting to compare college football to other sports.
College football is unique.
It's popular.
Why should they change it when it's so popular?
And please SPARE ME the, "Well then why don't they change all the other sports to be like college football?" response.
I want to know if it's so popular, where is the incentive to change it?
How old are you? Has college football not been changed in last 15 years? Why would they have changed it?
Posted on 11/16/10 at 2:11 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
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ANY system where you're trying to determine a champion out of 120 teams over the course of 16 weeks is going to be unfair. Wah.
So many people seem to think that controversy is to be avoided at all costs.
What is more unfair, an undefeated or 1-loss #3 ranked team not getting a chance to play for a championship, or a 2-loss #9 ranked team not getting a chance?
Yes there will always be controversy, but the firestorm would be MUCH less in a playoff scenario.
Just like the NCAA basketball tournament, there is always controversy on what teams were snubbed out of the tournament, but rarely do you hear people claiming that they were a championship caliber team, which happens every year in college football.
Posted on 11/16/10 at 2:12 pm to Topwater Trout
College football is popular in spite of the BCS system. Not because of it.
Posted on 11/16/10 at 2:25 pm to Topwater Trout
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How old are you?
Today is my birthday, I'm 171.
That's 1,197 in Dog Years.
Thanks for asking.
Look, I'm not really all that crazy about the BCS as such, just that it really isn't all that different from how it was prior to the BCS. And actually, all I see the BCS is as a system for the UPI/USAToday/Coaches Poll to determine their champion. I don't see it as any more or less valid as the AP poll as they are both basicaly opinion polls.
But no, it hasn't changed in the last 15 years as much as a playoff system would change it.
I just don't understand why people get so worked up over the championship. Just play for your conference championship and if the people who award national trophies think you're the best, you get their trophy. Big deal.
I'm more focused on beating Bama, Ole Miss, Auburn and Florida every year, compete for the SEC championship and I want to see LSU schedule as many top ranked OOC teams as possible - AND beat snot bubbles out of any team unfortunate enough to meet up with the Tigers in a bowl game.
I really don't care that much about the national championship - if they award it LSU, great.
Beat Mississippi!
Posted on 11/16/10 at 2:26 pm to rintintin
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but rarely do you hear people claiming that they were a championship caliber team, which happens every year in college football.
Yeah, I love that shite.
Posted on 11/16/10 at 2:39 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
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But no, it hasn't changed in the last 15 years as much as a playoff system would change it.
I just don't understand why people get so worked up over the championship. Just play for your conference championship and if the people who award national trophies think you're the best, you get their trophy. Big deal.
But in the past 20 years there have been 15-20 new bowls added and the BCS. Traditionally the major conferences had to go to their pre designated bowl and most years if Oklahoma was # 1 and Bama # 2 ok would go to orange and bama to sugar so the BCS has improved things but a playoff would make cfb even better than it is today IMO.
We definitely think differently b/c I want to win SEC and win national title. The reason for sports is competition and finding out who is better. It's why fans brag about their teams etc.
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