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re: For those BCS lovers who think...
Posted on 11/16/10 at 12:30 pm to rintintin
Posted on 11/16/10 at 12:30 pm to rintintin
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This whole notion that the regular season is so much more epic than other sports is immensely exaggerated.
I know I am much more depressed when walking out of Tiger Stadium after a loss than I am when walking out of the Superdome after a loss. I wonder why that is...
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Posted on 11/16/10 at 12:33 pm to Adam Banks
An 8 team playoff could still use the bowls. How can people not see this?
An 8 team playoff would NOT change the current system much at all, it would just give 6 more teams a chance at the title, which I think we all would agree is fair.
An 8 team playoff would NOT change the current system much at all, it would just give 6 more teams a chance at the title, which I think we all would agree is fair.
Posted on 11/16/10 at 12:35 pm to etm512
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I know I am much more depressed when walking out of Tiger Stadium after a loss than I am when walking out of the Superdome after a loss. I wonder why that is...
because your season is over...yay exciting!
Posted on 11/16/10 at 12:36 pm to rintintin
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An 8 team playoff could still use the bowls. How can people not see this?
They could but it's a lot of money for fans to go to these games. That's one of the main problems. Could you imagine the cost of going to Pasadena then to Tempe? There would be a lot more neutral fans there.
Posted on 11/16/10 at 12:40 pm to SaltyTiger53
quote:What do you think is more exciting to watch?
I take option two every time. The season would be way more exciting because we control our own destiny. Instead of having to root against TCU, Boise, Oregon, and Auburn, we could relentlessly cheer for the Tigers alone with confidence that WE CONTROL OUR OWN DESTINY..
Trapeze artist performing with or without a safety net?
Posted on 11/16/10 at 12:43 pm to Rockerbraves
But guys, if we had a playoff system we may have to do away with the papajohns.com bowl. That would be a tragedy! Lol
Posted on 11/16/10 at 12:48 pm to SaltyTiger53
Let's just suppose that Newton is found eligible, and Auburn will be the winner of the SECCG and BCSCG.
I have no problem with LSU not getting ANOTHER chance to beat Auburn for the NC.
LSU already played Auburn and lost. That should be it.
If a playoff system let in non-conference winners, aka 'wildcards', that would just be a way to give "mediocrity a second chance" and water the whole thing down and take any emphasis left in conference championships away.
I have no problem with LSU not getting ANOTHER chance to beat Auburn for the NC.
LSU already played Auburn and lost. That should be it.
If a playoff system let in non-conference winners, aka 'wildcards', that would just be a way to give "mediocrity a second chance" and water the whole thing down and take any emphasis left in conference championships away.
Posted on 11/16/10 at 12:49 pm to etm512
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They could but it's a lot of money for fans to go to these games. That's one of the main problems. Could you imagine the cost of going to Pasadena then to Tempe? There would be a lot more neutral fans there.
Well the main argument behind not having a playoff is money, and not money that fans have to spend, but money that the Universities and conferences potentially make. So maybe this is a good argument coming from fans, but it's not one that the higher ups use, they don't give a shite about the fans.
An 8 team playoff, while still using the bowl system, would be every bit as profitable for the scoundrels at the top as the current system.
Posted on 11/16/10 at 12:50 pm to rintintin
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An 8 team playoff could still use the bowls. How can people not see this?
An 8 team playoff would NOT change the current system much at all, it would just give 6 more teams a chance at the title, which I think we all would agree is fair.
Tell that to topwater trout. Thats what I have been saying. The problem is there will be little to no acutal fans see my above posts
Posted on 11/16/10 at 12:55 pm to SaltyTiger53
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But guys, if we had a playoff system we may have to do away with the papajohns.com bowl. That would be a tragedy! Lol
The number of bowls is out of hand. I can remember when it meant something to be invited to a bowl....now it's pretty much a guarantee.
Posted on 11/16/10 at 1:00 pm to Topwater Trout
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show me one example of another sport that doesn't use a playoff to determine the champion.
Why is this always brought up in defense of a college football playoff?
College football has NEVER had a playoff and yet has remained WILDLY popular for 100 years!
Show me another sport that gets such support.
Why screw with a good thing?
Do you want to know who the best football team in the land is?
Watch the NFL playoffs.
Posted on 11/16/10 at 1:00 pm to Adam Banks
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The problem is there will be little to no acutal fans see my above posts
This may be true, but I don't really see the problem with it.
As I said above, this is a good argument from a fans standpoint, but it has nothing to do with why a playoff isn't currently in place. Those games would get sold out regardless, providing the revenue needed to keep the higher ups happy.
And I don't think fans would mind not being able to go to every playoff game, if it meant that their team actually got a legitimate shot at a national title.
Posted on 11/16/10 at 1:02 pm to biglego
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And playoffs dont necessarily crown the best team either. They reward the team that gets hot at the end of a season. Perfect example is 2007 (or was it 2008?) when the Patriots finished 18-1 and are a footnote in history, while the Giants finished 14-5 and somehow are the champs. The Pats beat the Giants the last game of the season and had way more wins. All that was rendered meaningless bc the Giants got hot in the playoffs and won a rematch. Logically, the Pats shouldnt have even had to beat the Giants a second time.
Posted on 11/16/10 at 1:03 pm to Adam Banks
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Tell that to topwater trout. Thats what I have been saying. The problem is there will be little to no acutal fans see my above posts
I am not proposing to maintain use of the bowls in a playoff format......I have stated in numerous threads you cannot expect a fanbase to send 30-40 thousaund fans to 2 or 3 different venues in a month. It isn't like college basketball where 3-4 thousand make 2 trips in consecutive weeks.
Playoffs should be played at the top seeds home field....the title game would be played at a neutral site. If you want to keep "traditions" the Rose bowl could host title game one year, the sugar the next etc.....and the other 30 bowls let the crappy teams still go nobody particularily cares for them now so what difference would it make watching N. Texas play Ball St. in mid december the game means nothing in its present format so it could still mean nothing in a playoff format.
Posted on 11/16/10 at 1:05 pm to rintintin
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If a playoff system let in non-conference winners, aka 'wildcards', that would just be a way to give "mediocrity a second chance" and water the whole thing down and take any emphasis left in conference championships away.
What about highschool playoffs. No one has any complaints about that system. The season and rankings are very relevant!
NFL football playoffs also are a solid system that no one disputes.
However, everyone has some issue each year with the BCS system and rightfully so. I think the playoffs are a proven system at many levels, unlike this foolish computer system we use currently at the college level.
For example Oregon is Ranked higher than Auburn. There is no logic for this whatsoever.
Posted on 11/16/10 at 1:10 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
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Why is this always brought up in defense of a college football playoff?
Because it is the only level of football w/o a playoff.
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Why screw with a good thing?
Didn't they do that when they implemented the BCS?
So we should go back to old system that rarely EVER matched #1 vs. #2?
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Do you want to know who the best football team in the land is?
I want to know who the best team in cfb is....hence my reasoning for a playoff!
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Watch the NFL playoffs.
Why shouldn't I do as they do in cfb and just determine which team is best based on regular season?
Posted on 11/16/10 at 1:11 pm to Mr. Allman
quote:I think 8 is better. That would capture all of the one loss teams in most years. The only thing I'm not sure about is how to determine the 8. Do you just take the top 8 in the BCS rankings regardless of conference or do you take the 6 AQ Conference Champs and 2 At-large teams(2 highest rated non-conference winners or non-AQ teams)...
ETA: I can get behind a 4 team playoff though
The top 8 (in BCS)would look like this...Opening round games played at the highest ranked teams home site. Quarter finals and Championship played at neutral (bowl) site...
#8 Nebraska @ #1 Oregon
#7 Wisconsin @ #2 Auburn
#6 Stanford @ #3 TCU
#5 LSU @ #4 Boise St.
If you went with conference champs and 2 at-large it would look something like this...
UR Pittsburgh(Big East) @ #1 Oregon(Pac-10)
#16 Virginia Tech(ACC) @ #2 Auburn(SEC)
#12 Michigan St(Big-10) @ #3 TCU(at-large)
#8 Nebraska(Big 12) @ #4 Boise St (at-large)
Obviously putting the conference champs into a playoff does not actually put the best teams in the hunt for a national championship. All conferences are not equal and this rewards weak conferences with a team in the playoff. Realizing that all conferences are not equal, I think a National Championship should be separate from a Conference Championship and the best 8 teams should play for the right to win a National Championship regardless of conference.
Posted on 11/16/10 at 1:12 pm to Topwater Trout
You don't see the NFL saying "hmm our playoff system doesn't work very well. let's use the BCS like the NCAA."
You know why? Because the BCS system is garbage!
You know why? Because the BCS system is garbage!
Posted on 11/16/10 at 1:14 pm to XbengalTiger
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#5 LSU @ #4 Boise St.
Posted on 11/16/10 at 1:14 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
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And playoffs dont necessarily crown the best team either. They reward the team that gets hot at the end of a season.
That's such bullshite. If they can't get up for every game and beat them on the field, then they don't deserve to win the Championship. It isn't a talent championship. Should we just crown the team with the #1 recruiting class the champion and not even play out the season?
There are so many teams in D-1 football, most of who never even get the chance to play each other, that it's illogical to think that just b/c team A is undefeated and Team B isn't, team A is better.
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