re: For those BCS lovers who think...

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no. explain it to me

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It's long as shite, no way I'm going to explain the whole proposal to you. It takes up 2 posts.

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well to logically debate this issue, i'd like the playoff proponents to finally agree on 1 playoff system

how many teams get in
where they play
how they're selected
how the tv revenue is split (teams, conferences, etc)

when this happens, then the merits can be debated

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I would want a 16 team playoff(just as they do in every other division of cfb)

Top 8 seeds play at home etc. til they play in title game which would be "shopped" around as they do the superbowl.

Conference winners, and at larges would be used with power rankings. A committee just as cbb has would have a selection show announcing who is in and gamesites.

Revenue sharing would be same principle as the current bowl system (team gets a certain percentage as do all the teams in the conference) and existing TV contracts that all conferences have.

On a side note, let the other 54 teams still play in those meaningless bowl games that exist anyway that should keep the cfb traditionalist happy.

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If LSU/Bama or whoever isn't a 10 out of 10 to you then I just don't know what to say to you



They are a 10 but since there has NEVER been a playoff game in Tiger Stadium it is based on an assumption or my opinion that a semifinal game in Tiger stadium to play for the title would be better than any other game to have ever been played in Tiger Stadium.

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what would happen is the result of the LSU/Bama game would be less significant - walking out of the stadium the losing team's fans would often have no reason to think they were eliminated (or behind the 8 ball) for much of anything

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We probably disagree so completely it may not be worth a debate. Anyone who doesn't see that bigger playoffs devalue the regular seasons hasn't been watching the American sports culture over the last few decades



So why don't they go to a BCS type system in these other sports you are referring to?

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Unlike most sports the money in college football is in the regular season for the teams that actually make money... the big time programs in CFB are clearing millions per home game

Bowl games are viewed as big money makers by some... but by the time you travel and split up the revenue with your conference many major programs make little to nothing on the postseason... now the alumni donations that result from having an excellent program? That's another story... that's tens of millions of dollars

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Since all the FBS has is no post season and never has had playoffs you cannot say that the regular season would be diminished with playoffs. What would you base it on?

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Logic and what it's done to every other sport with an extended playoffs. College football is THE sport with the most meaningful regular season... and it is the sport that I care the most about

Playoffs are a time tested way of determining a champion in nearly every sport. I cannot even imagine using any other system to determine a champ. However, we do it year in and year out.

People... the NCAA doesn't even recognize an official champion in the most widely touted sport at the college level (football). This should tell you something. Also, the bowl owners and conference commissioners rob universities of valuable monetary gain to selfishly line their own pockets through the BCS system.

I believe there could still be a few bowls for teams who miss the playoffs, but not to determine the champion. Still, 35 bowls are a bit proposterous in my book!

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Logic and what it's done to every other sport with an extended playoffs. College football is THE sport with the most meaningful regular season... and it is the sport that I care the most about



That is your logic? You have no idea or clue what would happen if they went to a playoff format. I asked you to base it on something but you can't just b/c you say it is YOUR favorite sport isn't being logical.

All the people who claim they can use logic to refute a playoff instead of the BCS have never stepped up and applied any.

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That logic cuts both ways

There is no disputing that CFB has a highly profitable regular season which holds more relative interest than most or all other sports... college basketball has a playoff system lauded by many and now has a largely irrelevant regular season

You have done nothing to counter this point IMO

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do you think the BEST team will win if there is a playoff?

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the more teams you include the less likely that the teams that were best all year fail to get tripped up

I love the STL Cardinals but when they won the World Series a few years ago it rang extremely hollow to me... because they were a .500 team for most of the year and just got hot at the right time

Whether or not I love the team that benefited... that's garbage

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do you think the BEST team will win if there is a playoff?

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it usually tends to work out that way in highschool. John Curtis, Evangel, West Monroe. They make it to this Dome every year. I have never heard anyone complain that the best team didn't win.

As for college, I think it would give the "best team" a better shot of winning than speculating about who plays tougher opponents. (Ex: Boise doesn't play a tough enough schedule, Pac 10 is weak, and Big Ten is inferior to the SEC)

All of these arguments may be valid, and I agree with most of them. However, a playoff would either confirm this or give Boise, TCU etc. more credibility.

In actuality a team like Boise could be the best team in the nation in a given year. However, their weak schedule hinders them from having the needed credibility. A team should be crowned champion based on how good they are, not on how good their opponents are.

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My biggest frustration with you or others who argue from your point of view? I just don't get how people don't accept there's a trade off when you go to an extended playoff system... how do people not admit the regular season would be diminished?

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Because I have never seen a playoff in cfb that proves this to be true. I am of the opinion that the good outweighs the bad.

The bad is a diminished regular season. Which I counter with has not been proven that it would be. There is nothing to reasonably substantiate the opinion that the regular season would become less meaningful. The excitement surrounding the regular season would be magnified by the following.
1. Who will make the playoffs.
2. Who will be the top seeds.
3. Who will we be matched up with.

Regular season games will not be dimished because the goal of making the playoffs will still be a great motivation for every team. Winning conference championships will be a motivation to secure a home playoff seeding. Just as in cbb the motivation for teams to earn top seeds for "an easier road" to the title I believe in football that motivation will be magnified to earn the top seeds. That is my opinion.

The good would be the following.

1. Post season playoffs will be more exciting than bowl games.
2. 16 teams ensures that the best teams are competing for the title.....bubble teams won't have the same arguement as the teams who are left out of the BCSCG.
3. Home playoff games...enough said.
4. Control your own destiny...win and advance.
5. If you did falter in a game during the regualr season (or got hosed by refs) you still have a goal to play for.
6. As with this season LSU would still be able to control their destiny. I use LSU b/c they're my team that goes for alot of fans across the country.
7. More fanbases would be on the edge of their seats for the chance to win a title compared to the 3-4 at this time. Do you really think that the fanbases in Mich. St., Ohio St., LSU, Bama, Wisc., etc wouldn't be more interested if there was a playoff?

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I (and many other people) tune in and watch regular season contests between USC/Fresno, Oregon/Cal, OU/Texas, Bama/Florida because those games are possible elimination games that have an effect on the NC hunt

I remain interested in LSU games because I care about LSU - but if you take away the possibility of NC elimination you remove a lot of my incentive to watch many of the non LSU games I care a lot about right now... I'd just do what I do with college basketball... mostly tune in at the start of March

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And that is how you view it. I think general interest would be greater if more teams had a chance to go to the playoffs. And that includes the regular season...especially the last few weeks. Right now 115 teams have been eliminated basically from contention.

I am a huge LSU baseball fan and I have never put a lack of importance on sec weekends because it is a huge goal to win the SEC and win a super regional. How do you think that would not translate over to CFB?

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here is a clue there isn't a system that would get it right.

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Again, then why change it?

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2007 BCSCG that LSU won is regularly frowned upon and discredited by a majority of people b/c they didn't think LSU deserved to play in the game.

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2 points:
1.) Anyone that says LSU didn't deserve to be in that game is just being ridiculous, LSU WON the game, how better to prove that you belonged?

2.) Yes, the 2007 BCSCG is controversial, people STILL talk about it. Who ever talks about the 2007 CBB champs? No one. See the difference? Controversy isn't always a bad thing.

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With a 16 team playoff no one will discredit the 16th seed if they won it all....they did it on the field.

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LSU won the 2003 NC on the field vs OU, LSU won the 2007 NC on the field vs OSU. In 1958 LSU won the NC on the field vs all the teams they played during the regular season.

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You claim cbb has an irrelevent regular season. Any facts to support this claim.

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Here you go again...

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I think most people on here agree that cfb is their favorite sport. And most agree that they love march madness in cbb. What would make any of you think that a playoff in football(the most popular sport in the country) would not be more popular than the playoffs in NFL or CBB?

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You keep asking for evidence why a college footballl playoff would diminish the regular season, and the you proceed to dimish the regular seasons for sports that have playoffs. Can you not see what you keep doing over and over again?

You ask for the facts to support the argument that a playoff would dimish the regular season - and then you provide them yourself!