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re: For the "we're poorly coached" crowd............

Posted on 9/30/09 at 9:06 am to
Posted by Tiger Voodoo
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Posted on 9/30/09 at 9:06 am to
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It is not that they are getting blown off the ball in those cases, they are just not communicating and letting people run free in the backfield. To be fair, I have concentrated on those two because they are new to the line. No one else seems to be fairing much better.

To back up what I have been seeing, the center said that he is thinking too much and has been messing up the line calls. It appears that we have tried to limit the plays that JJ runs because he is inexperienced. Well so is our center. With teams repeatedly stacking the box with 8-9 players, I don't see the OL's job getting easier.




Great post.
This post was edited on 9/30/09 at 9:11 am
Posted by Kracka
Lafayette, Louisiana
Member since Aug 2004
42103 posts
Posted on 9/30/09 at 9:07 am to
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The ONLY area of concern for me would be that I would like for Miles to show more emotion on the sidelines. I know he's never done that since he's been here, and is deemed a "players coach"....but every now & again I'd like to see him chew somebody's azz when they mess up or get on the refs for a call!


While I do think that Les does occasionally break one off in someone's arse, what you see on the field during the game from Miles, is exactly what you would see in practice. We have been fortunate to have seen both types of coaches. You saw all the fits Saban threw, and how that trickled down to the players attitudes, and you have Cool, Calm, and Comatose Miles on the sideline. Do the math.
Posted by TigerCorp
Member since Jun 2009
1058 posts
Posted on 9/30/09 at 9:08 am to
I think Cooper is doing a nice job with the secondary, but I don't think Haley is anything special other than that he seems to yell more. I heard an interview with Bear defensive linemen before the season and they were ecstatic about Haley being let go and getting Marinelli (sic) in to coach Dline.

My concerns with staff are related to philosophy, play calling, and personnel usage at times. Tackling has been a problem and continues to be one...especially at lber. I lean towards players more on this though. Then again it might help if they recruit lbers who already know how to tackle.
Posted by CharlesLSU
Member since Jan 2007
33244 posts
Posted on 9/30/09 at 9:12 am to
Honestly, I see 2 primary issues as far as coaching (but both are based on player aptitude):

1. T-Bob will come along, but his formation recognition and line calls are inconsistent right now. The opposition knows this and they are exploiting it. This is THE reason outside of a stacked box that we are having issues running.

2. The dline is not getting an effective inside pass rush. Woods and Alexander are playing good ball, but they are more space eaters than penetrators. Nevis and Downs are our inside rush types, but are young and developing (injured too). This will improve, but the coaches can only do so much.

We can all cast judgements, but in reality our coaching staff is high caliber and while things appear obvious to the beer swilling masses, they really don't know shite past what they learned in HS or on PS3.
Posted by ViNSANE
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2008
380 posts
Posted on 9/30/09 at 9:19 am to
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There has been a lot of talk about LSU being a "poorly coached" team. Contrary to popular belief, just because a team isn't playing well doesn't mean that the coaches aren't doing everything they should be in practice.


That is what separates a good coach from a bad coach. Every coach almost has the same amount of time to prepare the team for the season. The best coaches have the most impressive teams.
A good team--discipline, excellent fundamentals, techniques, intensity,
A bad team--struggling to tackle, o-line getting pushed back by ULL defense, overall sloppy play

If Les Miles was such a good coach, then he should have stressed all the bad shite in practice. Where is the discipline?

Players are fielding punts inside the 5, we usually have wide open gaps in our secondary and it will haunt us. Delay of game penalties. Our d-line cant penetrate the ULL o-line.

Our offensive play calling is garbage, I mean come on. Every team is bringing 8 in the box, yet we still run Scott up the middle, or go option to the short side of field.
OUR DRIVES STALLED 2 OR 3 TIMES NEAR THE REDZONE,BECAUSE MILES PULLED SHEP OUT WHILE HE WAS MOVING THE BALL EFFECTIVELY.
Les Miles making clueless quotes such as:

"This is best offensive line I have ever had"
"That defense against Washington, is the defense I would like to see"

Posted by Kracka
Lafayette, Louisiana
Member since Aug 2004
42103 posts
Posted on 9/30/09 at 9:24 am to
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"That defense against Washington, is the defense I would like to see"


A ranter would interpret that as Miles saying he wants to lose.
Posted by drexyl
Mingovia
Member since Sep 2005
23324 posts
Posted on 9/30/09 at 9:24 am to
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I've literally watched LSU Dline get dragged, held, pushed, shoved, tackled, bear hugged, face masked, clipped, etc, etc while the ref turns a blind eye.
Don't forget chop-blocked.
Posted by Big Fat
"Fear the Hat" returns 2010
Member since Sep 2009
5404 posts
Posted on 9/30/09 at 9:25 am to
Running the ball to the short side of the field, time after time after time, is a problem. If you run the ball off tackle 10x and you gain less than 10 yds, one would think of trying something a little different you would think. Nope, lets ram it in there another 20 more times for less than 1 yd per carry.

Oh and if one RB is hot and gets 26 yds on just 4 carries, make sure he doesnt play in the second half.

These are the things that have us scratching our heads.
Posted by triplesauce
new york
Member since Oct 2006
1471 posts
Posted on 9/30/09 at 9:26 am to

There are three other teams in the Western division who are clicking on offense (Auburn, Arkansas and Alabama). All of those teams have also have relatively new QBs. And, Jefferson is in fact playing well.

Yet they're all executing on offense.

LSU has more talent on that side of the ball than any of those teams, including at least SEVEN players who will play on Sunday (Scott, Williams, Black, Dickson, Lafell, Tolliver, and Jefferson). Five of those players are SENIORS. (I'm not even counting Shep).

There is no excuse for this team being last in the conference on offense, and it's on the COACHES.

END OF STORY.
This post was edited on 9/30/09 at 9:28 am
Posted by AlxTgr
Kyre Banorg
Member since Oct 2003
86410 posts
Posted on 9/30/09 at 9:28 am to
Here is what T-Bob needs:

1. 0

2. play-side gap

3. Back-side linebacker.

Posted by ellis mike the tiger
Member since Mar 2009
339 posts
Posted on 9/30/09 at 9:30 am to
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2. The dline is not getting an effective inside pass rush. Woods and Alexander are playing good ball, but they are more space eaters than penetrators. Nevis and Downs are our inside rush types, but are young and developing (injured too). This will improve, but the coaches can only do so much.


+1

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We can all cast judgements, but in reality our coaching staff is high caliber and while things appear obvious to the beer swilling masses, they really don't know shite past what they learned in HS or on PS3.


+100000000000

I'm tired of people saying oh we have bad playcalling when they don't know what they are talking about. It is basic right now becasue we have an inexperienced line and a young quarterback who has less than 8 starts. He is still really figuring out his receivers and the RUNNING BACKS TRYING TO GET USED TO THEIR LINE. If you don't think the backs know what kind of running lanes to expect from their line and anticipate where they are going to run before the snap based on their line, you are mistaken. Miscues and mis-communications can drastically change those plans making it near impossible to adjust with a stacked box. This will get better with TIME and EXPERIENCE, and those are the only ways.
On defense, I see a lapse in fundamentals. We all know they are their, but they are trying to learn a new coordinator's system. They are concentrating more on trying to not blow an assignment leading to a big play, which can make them react a little slower, and a 3 yard run becomes a 5 yard run. Our line is going around their blocks, not through them. This is an O-lines dream because all they have to do is give a slight shove, and our guys are out of the play. Look at the Vandy game. We were in the backfield all night, but overran everything. Once they settle into there new schemes, you will see fundamental performance increase and better overall play.


Posted by Tiger Voodoo
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Member since Mar 2007
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Posted on 9/30/09 at 9:32 am to
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ViNSANE



Well, we made it a page and a half without a blind Miles hater chiming in with no specifics to back up what he's saying. I guess that's pretty impressive.


Once again dude, sloppy play isn't always indicative of bad coaching. It just isn't.

You named the typical, poor tackling, no discipline buzzwords that people throw out when they just don't like their coach and the team doesn't look sharp.

So, your suggestion would be to have more tackling drills, and punt fielding drills apparently, right? That's the answer?

As for the play calling, again, why is that on Miles? Isn't he paying a career play caller a lot of money to do that?
Posted by Meatball
Member since Sep 2009
5114 posts
Posted on 9/30/09 at 9:35 am to
How about getting the plays in quicker. Five delay of game penalties in the last two games! That is unacceptable!
Posted by Tiger Voodoo
Champs 03 07 09 11(fack) 19!!!
Member since Mar 2007
22098 posts
Posted on 9/30/09 at 9:36 am to
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How about getting the plays in quicker. Five delay of game penalties in the last two games! That is unacceptable!



Absolutely agree. The amount of procedure penalties we've gotten since Crowton arrived is unacceptable IMO. Again, trying to be too tricky and complicated is hurting us more than helping.
Posted by TigerPaw15
Member since Sep 2009
21 posts
Posted on 9/30/09 at 9:37 am to
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Running the ball to the short side of the field, time after time after time, is a problem.


Les addressed this in his news conference. I'm paraphrasing, but his explanation was that MState was stacking the wide side with their best personnel while leaving the short side with second tier people.

He was disappointed they didn't have better success against those formations...
Posted by LeonPhelps
Member since May 2008
8185 posts
Posted on 9/30/09 at 9:40 am to
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Like most people on here, I think that the play calling has been atrocious, so our approach needs to change. I put most of that on Crowton.



This thread failed here. Crowton has been known for running up the middle his entire career????

Posted by Seven Constanza
Brooklyn
Member since Sep 2009
799 posts
Posted on 9/30/09 at 9:45 am to
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Even though the middle of our OL is undersized, I think much of the problems are mental. I have routinely watched the center and left guard (as not to mention any names) not block anybody. It is not that they are getting blown off the ball in those cases, they are just not communicating and letting people run free in the backfield. To be fair, I have concentrated on those two because they are new to the line. No one else seems to be fairing much better.

To back up what I have been seeing, the center said that he is thinking too much and has been messing up the line calls. It appears that we have tried to limit the plays that JJ runs because he is inexperienced. Well so is our center. With teams repeatedly stacking the box with 8-9 players, I don't see the OL's job getting easier.

Exactly.
Posted by Commando
Never Never Land
Member since Jan 2009
2814 posts
Posted on 9/30/09 at 9:45 am to
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I partly blame the fact that took Offensive Holding off the list of penalties. At least that's how it looks to me. I understand you could probably technically call holding on every play, but from last season thru now, I've literally watched LSU Dline get dragged, held, pushed, shoved, tackled, bear hugged, face masked, clipped, etc, etc while the ref turns a blind eye. I scream when I see a jersey pulled a foot from the pads while the QB steps up and throws a 30 yd completion.


+1. Seeing Alem get bulldogged to the ground time after time is sickening. Add in the stepped up protection of the QB by the officials, and we might as well give up QB pressure.
Posted by Pilot Tiger
North Carolina
Member since Nov 2005
73847 posts
Posted on 9/30/09 at 9:46 am to
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Les addressed this in his news conference. I'm paraphrasing, but his explanation was that MState was stacking the wide side with their best personnel while leaving the short side with second tier people.
so he obviously doesnt have confidence in his players matched up against Moo state's
Posted by Commando
Never Never Land
Member since Jan 2009
2814 posts
Posted on 9/30/09 at 9:46 am to
quote:

Les addressed this in his news conference. I'm paraphrasing, but his explanation was that MState was stacking the wide side with their best personnel while leaving the short side with second tier people.




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