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re: For all those who blame Joe Alleva (or King) for the Wade situation....

Posted on 3/29/19 at 12:44 am to
Posted by LSUNV
In the woods or on the water
Member since Feb 2011
22630 posts
Posted on 3/29/19 at 12:44 am to
I don’t blame Alleva anymore, I blame you and people like you
Posted by Cadello
Eunice
Member since Dec 2007
48419 posts
Posted on 3/29/19 at 2:39 am to
Seriously how much did Alleva pay you to post this?
Posted by The Real Drooby
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2015
1506 posts
Posted on 3/29/19 at 5:27 am to
DUMBASS
Posted by Buda
Member since Nov 2009
408 posts
Posted on 3/29/19 at 11:40 am to
Wow! No wonder this country is so f'd up. We have a LOT of REALLY stupid and ignorant people out there.

Do any of you rantards have an intelligent answer to these questions:

Do you really believe Wade did not offer to pay Smart or his family to come to LSU? If yes, please explain.

What exactly would you have Alleva do when he gets the info he has, invites Wade to provide and explanation, and is turned down?

Do you not understand that Alleva and the players, administration must put the university and the program first? That if the leave Wade in there with the info they have the penalties from the NCAA will be even higher because they refused to act?

Calling me Alleva or Alleva's wife or crony (or worse) or just some other ridiculous response just proves my point (that you are an idiot with nothing useful to say). If you think I am wrong, explain why.
Posted by The Blue Stuff
Member since Oct 2015
1509 posts
Posted on 3/29/19 at 11:51 am to
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STOP BIENG CHILDREN! Alleva did not do this to Wade. Wade did this to Wade. Wade cheated, broke the rules. Anyone who tries to claim otherwise is just lying to himself. The transcripts are pretty clear - he was offering to pay Smart's family to get him to LSU. The fact that other programs do the same is irrelevant. Wade got caught - which brings me to my next point... Wade is an idiot. If you are going to pay players and make deals to do so with shady agents and middlemen, don't do it on the phone; don't handle it personally - be smart like other coaches and use middlemen and talk in back alleys or closed apartments off campus - places where you cannot be seen or heard. Yes many college coaches cheat, but most are smart enough not to get caught in person in a blatant cheating situation. Finally, Wade refuses to explain himself to his superiors. This puts Alleva and LSU in a box - they have no choice but to suspend him. If Wade would come in with some reasonable explanation of innocence - what that conversation really was - they might be able to keep him on as HC. But he can't - because there is no reasonable and innocent way to explain that conversation. So what do you expect LSU to do - allow an obvious cheater to continue to coach? That would risk this season and future seasons and it would be absolutely horrible for the players on the team. No, Alleva had no choice but to do what he did - for the team and for LSU. Wade's absence is not Joe Alleva's fault. It's Will Wade's fault. He cheated and stupidly got caught. And then he refuses to provide an explanation to demonstrate his claimed innocence. Wade's done folks. If I were Alleva, I would have fired him immediately and started looking for my next HC. After this, I can't see how LSU can possibly keep Wade onboard. You guys need to stop trying to defend him and move on - for the sake of the program. The point is: Wade did this to himself. Alleva and the LSU management had no choice but to do what they did and certainly could have (and in my opinion, should have) done more (ie, let him go).


You nailed it buddy. The fact that all these LSU fans are not embarrassed by why happened is stupid. Wade screwed up. Now he is hiding while his team fights on just to cover his arse. He's obviously guilty otherwise go talk to your boss and then tell him you did nothing wrong. I love Wade and I surely don't like Alleva or King but the reaction on these sites has been ridiculous. I know everyone pays but don't get on the phone and talk about it yourself. That's such a rookie mistake. I hope he skates by some miracle but I have lost respect for the man. Those kids are busting their arse and he's hiding.
Posted by jmon
Loisiana
Member since Oct 2010
9327 posts
Posted on 3/29/19 at 11:53 am to
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Do you really believe Wade did not offer to pay Smart or his family to come to LSU? --- The tape says he made a strong offer. What that offer was is not know. You are drawing a conclusion to something unproven at this time. One can only assume at this time.

What exactly would you have Alleva do when he gets the info he has, invites Wade to provide and explanation, and is turned down? --- Our AD, who should be considered a smart man, knows very well that if his coach is involved with an FBI investigation, that said coach can not divulge what he knows.

Do you not understand that Alleva and the players, administration must put the university and the program first? That if the leave Wade in there with the info they have the penalties from the NCAA will be even higher because they refused to act? --- Not true. Any sanctions would be levied against the season in which the player / coach were involved, so if any of this leads to a punishment, it's already happened and can't be undone. LSU could have taken a stance that acknowledged what was released, and that they are investigating to insure that no violations have and will continue to occur, if any violations have been incurred at all. They should have released a more prescribed and poignant statement which does not immediately incriminate your coach, player and university.

Calling me Alleva or Alleva's wife or crony (or worse) or just some other ridiculous response just proves my point (that you are an idiot with nothing useful to say). If you think I am wrong, explain why. ---Well, you are being as stubborn as those you accuse of being ignorant, so there's that!



Posted by Cannon style
Homer,La.
Member since Sep 2018
1582 posts
Posted on 3/29/19 at 11:56 am to
Buda. Well stated and exactly right. But these narrowed minded people on here won't believe it. Too stupid and u can't fix stupid. Good job telling the truth on it
Posted by Cannon style
Homer,La.
Member since Sep 2018
1582 posts
Posted on 3/29/19 at 11:56 am to
You PROBALLY can't read
Posted by LSUNV
In the woods or on the water
Member since Feb 2011
22630 posts
Posted on 3/29/19 at 11:57 am to
You have proved nothing in this thread other than giving your baseless opinion that WW is guilty and Alleva did nothing wrong. We have given you facts and you still choose to overlook Alleva’s incompetence.

Alleva is on his way out wether you choose to see it or not. Thank God we have some people on the BOS that see it the way most of us do
Posted by Goldrush25
San Diego, CA
Member since Oct 2012
33833 posts
Posted on 3/29/19 at 12:22 pm to
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Do you not understand that Alleva and the players, administration must put the university and the program first?


If they were doing this, they would've met with WW, without the NCAA.
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
131498 posts
Posted on 3/29/19 at 12:53 pm to
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If they were doing this, they would've met with WW, without the NCAA.

B I N G O ! !
Posted by EA6B
TX
Member since Dec 2012
14754 posts
Posted on 3/29/19 at 1:41 pm to
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Those kids are busting their arse and he's hiding.


Those kids should be busting their arse, that's what they are being paid to do thanks to Wade.
Posted by RedPop4
Santiago de Compostela
Member since Jan 2005
14778 posts
Posted on 3/29/19 at 1:47 pm to
Where do you expect Wade to be, exactly? He can not be anywhere near his team because he is suspended. Where do you wish him to be, doing color on the broadcast? Courtside seats? SnapChat? Skype? In the CBS broadcast center on the pre-game and wrap shows?

He has been told to stay away, that is what a suspension is.
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
131498 posts
Posted on 3/29/19 at 1:47 pm to
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that's what they are being paid to do thanks to Wade
Curious . . . when did the NCAA start reinstating players who are "paid"? . . . asking for a friend.
Posted by Irish LSU Fan
Baton Rouge, Louisiana
Member since Nov 2014
2456 posts
Posted on 3/29/19 at 2:10 pm to
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Curious . . . when did the NCAA start reinstating players who are "paid"? . . . asking for a friend.

When the NCAA has not yet completed an investigation (some on this board even say the NCAA has not started an investigation). Look, LSU suspended Smart and then turned to the NCAA for clearance knowing they don't "yet" have a concrete investigation that shows Smart received any payments. So, the NCAA cleared Smart to play. As it turns out, this was a "crafty" decision by LSU to get the NCAA to reinstate Smart. This part is important so when later if the WW/LSU BB house comes crashing down, we may not be forced to vacate wins that involved Smart (because the NCAA allowed him to play, not LSU).
Posted by loopdog
Alexandria, La.
Member since Nov 2011
474 posts
Posted on 3/29/19 at 2:21 pm to
Hell O.J. was guilty as shite but they played it out thru the legal system and he walked ! Just saying ! Give him his day in court ! He earned it !
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
131498 posts
Posted on 3/29/19 at 2:25 pm to
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quote:

Curious . . . when did the NCAA start reinstating players who are "paid"? . . . asking for a friend.
When the NCAA has not yet completed an investigation
Wait!

You are telling me that the NCAA will take ACTIVE ACTION to reinstate a suspended player who is deemed "being paid" until a time when they have completed their investigation?
Interesting.

Does that standard hold for coaches as well?
Posted by Cump11b
Member since Sep 2018
2026 posts
Posted on 3/29/19 at 2:25 pm to
How's it going Joe? Guess you came back to TD to defend yourself and keep your job?
Posted by Irish LSU Fan
Baton Rouge, Louisiana
Member since Nov 2014
2456 posts
Posted on 3/29/19 at 2:42 pm to
quote:

You are telling me that the NCAA will take ACTIVE ACTION to reinstate a suspended player who is deemed "being paid" until a time when they have completed their investigation?

LSU did not "deem" "accuse" "infer" "accuse" Smart of being paid. The NCAA usually will err on the side of the player when either there is not "concrete" evidence (at that time) or the investigation is ongoing or both. LSU was wise to suspend Smart knowing that most of the evidence against Smart was (at this time) circumstantial. WW is a different story. The NCAA looks at coaches/universities/boosters with a much harsher eye (and rightfully so). Remember, Smart is not the one on the FBI wiretap talking to a convicted felon about things that are a violation of NCAA rules. Will WW emerge from this innocent? I don't know. I remember the Chancellor speaking about the Jordan Jefferson incident (parking lot fight) at Reggies (I think it was Reggies?)......"I don't think there are very many Nobel Prize winners hanging out at Reggie's at 3:00 am.
Posted by SammyTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2009
76036 posts
Posted on 3/29/19 at 2:45 pm to
Go frick yourself.

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