re: For all those who blame Joe Alleva (or King) for the Wade situation....

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Wow! I knew there were some REALLY dumbsh!t people on this board; but I had no idea how many and how dumb...

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well, you should glance over the various threads more often

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I make no defenses or excuses for Alleva. I simply said that he is not at fault here, Wade is.

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"at fault"; such a simple and concrete phrase.
Will Wade apparently was recorded on an FBI wiretap conversing with someone the FBI was after. Assuming the leaked excerpt is accurate (we're doing this on faith, as nobody can confirm the audio other than the FBI), he discussed making a "damn strong offer". As it's just an excerpt, we get zero context, and no numerical or monetary terms are used, we are left to imagine what that means.
A) He used questionable language, but not incriminating.
B) Without further context, you can't clarify what he meant. Interestingly enough, the "leaker" has the transcripts in full, but chose to omit the context. As this is supposed to taint Wade, it makes me suspect the surrounding context makes the statement more innocent.

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If you don't think there is enough evidence that Wade cheated, you are a bigger idiot than I can imagine and I have some land in a swamp I would like to sell you

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Good luck with that, as it goes the opposite direction.
You and others are trying to sell something (Wade's guilt in ... something) with very limited and circumstantial evidence, just like the "swampland" analogy you chose.
I, and many others, want to see the evidence in full before I condemn our coach. This should come out during/after the trial, which isn't too far away.

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This is Wade's fault. He broke the rules. I would have fired him long ago. Alleva's biggest failing was hiring him in the first place. Then he failed to look into it the first time this came up. And now doesn't have the balls to just fire the guy who got cold busted because he was too stupid to not conduct that business on the phone.

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There you go rampaging about "fault" again, and "breaking rules".
What rule did he break? Did he pay Smart and his family? Did he offer to- how much?
Why is Smart eligible here, if that's the case?
For that matter, doesn't the excerpt say the offer wasn't enough, so why is Smart even here?

Wade has stated that he will explain this, after the court date. He's stated that he has been advised by attorneys not to do so until after that, because it could complicate his potential testimony. He's possibly testifying in a federal criminal case, following your lawyer's advise seems prudent.

Why are you so hellbent to rush to judgement before the facts come out?

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Buda

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I had decided that I was just going to STFU about all of this , while trying my best to pay attention (although I freely admit that my best may not be good enough).

I know that this state of affairs has been summarized ad nauseam (REALLY nauseam) around here.

And I know that nobody wants to see yet another redundancy.

But this makes me want to vomit , and temporarily overrides my torpor.


First of all:

We all know that:

>> CWW has not been accused of anything by the FBI.
>> CWW has not been accused of anything by the NCAA.

He’s simply been called as a witness -- by the DEFENSE -- in somebody else’s trial.


Second:

>> Yahoo leaked “cherry-picked” text of some snippets of conversation between CWW and Dawkins.

>> Those transcripts were deliberately leaked to Yahoo by the Dawkins defense team, after the original trial court declared them inadmissible.

(That leak, by the way, MAY be actionable, either criminally or civilly. That’s just another thing that we’ll have to wait to discover).

>> Those snippets of conversation -- out of context -- have caused mock (but certainly marketable) “consternation” among the terminally self-righteous, the intellectually underprivileged, and the cowardly.

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Buda

3. If you don't think there is enough evidence that Wade cheated

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>> The Yahoo leak is NOT evidence.
>> Even the original tapes (and transcripts thereof) are NOT evidence.
>> Nothing in those out-of-context “snippets” is probative.

And Dick Vitale despite his recent [deliberately] inflammatory comments (see “marketable”, above), has NOT heard the FBI tapes -- which he has belatedly admitted.

CWW may -- MAY -- get hammered later.

But as of now, he is entitled (as are we all) to the presumption of innocence.


Third:

CWW, upon advice of counsel, has declined to be sandbagged by JA / FKA.

The insistence upon an NCAA presence at that interview is tantamount to an admission of LSU culpability where none has been demonstrated -- just an additional indicator (as if we needed another one) that JA has the intellect (and spine) of a caterpillar.

It’s entirely possible that CWW will not even be called into the courtroom; he’s merely on the defense’s witness list, and thus his presence on April 22 is required.

But he has still been advised by his attorney to STFU until after the trial.

And nobody seems to have noticed the serendipity inherent in that advice:

>> By following advice of counsel, CWW is also protecting the University -- at least until after the trial, when everybody will have a better idea of where any land mines might be.

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Buda

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Suck a rock.

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NC_Tigah

Then why did LSU Admin nitwits reinstate Smart? What was the basis?

The insistence that Coach Wade submit to an adversarial external and public interrogation regarding potential matters of imminent Federal testimony was catastrophically STUPID!

Alleva, FKing, Williams, and whatever other of the LSU Admin braintrust was involved are solely responsible for their own feckless stupidity. They own it. They own it alone! They are, will, and should be blamed for it.

Hopefully every LSU Administrative imbecile with fingerprints on this "Ready-Fire-Aim!" episode will lose in a big way for it.

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THIS. ^

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GeauxBoi

If he cheated or not it makes no sense to not let him coach. If it eventually comes out that he cheated LSUs wins will be vacated regardless so you should just let him coach until everything comes out. It’s only hurting LSU by not letting him coach if it comes back that he did nothing wrong, and as said before if it did come back that he did something wrong it will be the same outcome with vacated wins.

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THIS, too. ^


Upvotes for y’all . . .

Not you, Buda.

We can all tell that you are a JA shill.


And now -- back to my nap.

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LSU wanted Wade to come in and answer questions before the entire BOS, the AD, the Chancellor and the NCAA regarding a newspaper article based on a recording leaked by a criminal defense lawyer with an agenda.

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And your point is???
WW's employer can call him to a meeting anytime/any place and invite whomever they like and none of that is WW's business (because he is the employee). If WW disagrees with that, he should not have signed a contract that REQUIRES him to do these things.

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From all accounts Wade was willing to come in for an internal meeting with Alleva and Alexander. Instead LSU invited the NCAA and the entire BOS. How many other personnel matters involve immediate interviews with the entire BOS?

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Again, none of this is WW's business because he signed a contract that REQUIRES him to cooperate with any/all investigations by the SEC, LSU or the NCAA.

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Don't go rouge and invite the NCAA and half of BR to come and ask questions about a newspaper article.

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JA had no choice but to invite the NCAA because they reported the situation to the NCAA as they were required to do.

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Don't go public and try to paint your Coach in a bad light until you've had a chance to let the internal process run its course.

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Only after WW went to the press did the "back & forth" start.

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Simply put, have internal process in place and let them work, instead of allowing Alexander, James Williams and whoever else'a idea it was to allow the NCAA and entire BOS to an internal interview.

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It is clear that your entire narrative revolves around creating a "path" that would have allowed WW to coach in the tournament. That issue is not related to the WW situation!!! LSU is required to address the WW issue with no regard for statements like, "but we want WW to coach in the tournament."

GFY Joe.

Most bosses would have fired him for not making the meeting or even calling to explain why he is on the wire tap.

Alleve was trying to do something besides firing him and got no credit for it.

Indecision causes things like that. He was wishy washy with the LaCrosse team too.

The main question for Alleve is how much more money is the athletic department bringing in today vs when he came.

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First of all:

We all know that:

>> CWW has not been accused of anything by the FBI.
>> CWW has not been accused of anything by the NCAA.

He’s simply been called as a witness -- by the DEFENSE -- in somebody else’s trial.

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WW has never been called as a witness. He has been notified that he could be subpoenaed to testify in the trial.

I wouldn't expect anything less from Joe.

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WW has never been called as a witness. He has been notified that he could be subpoenaed to testify in the trial.

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You are correct. I was lazy.

AFAIK, he has already received that subpoena. (If that, too, is a mistake, then please correct it.)

He may not be actually called into the courtroom.

But a subpoena would require him to be present and available, just in case he does get called upon to testify once the trial actually starts.

I suspect that we won’t see much of anything happen -- until after the trial.

That’s when we’ll see fireworks in our local media, and a really memorable melt on here.

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Most bosses would have fired him for not making the meeting or even calling to explain why he is on the wire tap

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He was going to meet until they brought in the ncaa.

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Alleve was trying to do something besides firing him and got no credit for it.

Indecision causes things like that. He was wishy washy with the LaCrosse team too.

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Wtf?