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Posted on 9/14/09 at 10:23 pm to Geauxtiga
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Drop Vandy and Miss St and play a round-robin.
The SEC will never drop Vandy. Them being a private school allows some privacy for the conference regarding finances. Same reason Baylor is there to stay in the Big 12
Posted on 9/14/09 at 10:27 pm to JPLSU1981
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There should be no cross-division permanent opponent, simple as that.
This and the fact that you force the best two teams from each division over the last decade to play each other is just asinine. Hurts the conference in the end.
Posted on 9/14/09 at 10:39 pm to JPLSU1981
I Agree/Disagree
yeah it def. hurts the loser of the LSU-Florida match up. I would love to play UGA, UK, and Vandy this year instead of Florida.
but, this has become one of the most prolific match-up in college football. the games are epic and more meaningful than even the SECCG (because the loser of the match-up usually wont make it there). the atmosphere at an LSU-UF game is 2nd to none.
LSU-UF > Boston-NY
yeah it def. hurts the loser of the LSU-Florida match up. I would love to play UGA, UK, and Vandy this year instead of Florida.
but, this has become one of the most prolific match-up in college football. the games are epic and more meaningful than even the SECCG (because the loser of the match-up usually wont make it there). the atmosphere at an LSU-UF game is 2nd to none.
LSU-UF > Boston-NY
Posted on 9/15/09 at 1:02 pm to JPLSU1981
email to the SEC office...
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To whom it may concern:
Although I love the rivalry that has grown between LSU and Florida this decade as both schools have dominated this conference over the course of the decade and the game itself has at times “propelled” both schools to national title appearances, the time has come for change to the SEC's philosophy and policy on permanent cross-division opponents. With the emergence of Ole Miss and Alabama from the doormat of the conference, the current method of scheduling is no longer feasible and is simply put, unfair.
Unfortunately, the other 10 schools are completely content with the SEC's system, and I can see why. For Alabama-Tennessee and Georgia-Auburn, it is a matter of preserving tradition, which I respect. As for the other six schools opposed to change, it’s simply a matter of them being the beneficiaries of a softer conference schedule. Take one gander at Alabama and Ole Miss' 2009 SEC schedules and it's easy to see that not getting to the SECCG would be inexcusable for both schools (unfortunately, one or both will not make it). (See Alabama 2009 Schedule and Ole Miss 2009 Schedule)
As an LSU fan, I love playing Florida every year and it has certainly become one of the Top3 "marquee" games in college football each year and the game is certainly great for the SEC as it has a huge national appeal, but it is unfortunate that Florida and LSU are the two schools that get the raw end of the deal relative to the conference's scheduling across divisions.
Let me offer two solutions that I’m sure you guys have discussed, but have yet to implement due to resistance from the member institutions. The time has come for change, and while we as fans are willing to compromise a little in the interest of preserving tradition, nonetheless change must be implemented very soon or the competitive balance and fairness of the league will eventually suffer.
Solution #1
There should be no cross-division permanent opponent, simple as that. You should play three teams from the other division one year, and the remaining three teams from the other division the following year. Then, you do it all over again with the venue changed home/away. Every team gets a chance to play every other team in the other division every other year. No team ever goes over two years without playing each and every SEC team. No SEC player ever plays four years at a school and does not make a trip to Death Valley or Bryant Denny or The Swamp or Between the Hedges. Every team plays every other SEC team every other year.
For example, if LSU plays Florida at home this year, Georgia on the road this year, and Vanderbilt at home this year, then NEXT YEAR LSU will play South Carolina, Tennessee, and Kentucky. The FOLLOWING YEAR LSU will play at Florida, home against Georgia, and at Vanderbilt. The LAST SEASON of the rotation, LSU plays USC, Tenn, and Kentucky again with the venue flipped.
Solution #2
If Alabama-Tennessee and Georgia-Auburn really want to keep those games locked to preserve tradition, then keep those two games locked, but let the rest of the SEC rotate. Give those four schools the option to "opt out" if that game being played every year as opposed to the game being played every other year is so important to those schools. If those two particular games are the big holdupt to change, then we as fans will compromise and concede, allowing them to keep those games and let the rest of us play on a level playing field and with more equitable scheduling practices.
I know this topic comes up annually at the SEC meetings, but the time has come to implement change. Most schools have no problem with it, but I felt an email was necessary from me, an LSU fan, to let my displeasure in the current system known. I know that I am not alone in my beliefs on this topic.
Thanks for your time in considering this topic, and also thank you for all you do for the conference!
Geaux Tigers!
Posted on 9/15/09 at 1:15 pm to JPLSU1981
It was done to maximize the number of bowl eligible team. At the end of any given year, Georgia, Florida, Tenn, Bama, LSU, and Auburn are usually going to be bwol eligible. By aligning the other six, the SEC is making sure half of the perennial little sisters get an extra win that hopefully puts them over the top and brings another bowl payday into the coffers.
They'll never change it.
They'll never change it.
Posted on 9/15/09 at 1:22 pm to Esta
We match up against them b/c in recent history, we have been the two most competetive teams in the SEC. They thought about changing the system a few years back, and they did by not having 2 permanents. We are the best, they are the best. It only fits. Until(if) Tenn gets back to a national contender, Bama will have a rent a win, and Ol Miss should never lose to Vandy...
Posted on 9/15/09 at 1:22 pm to Esta
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They'll never change it.
They will eventually, but it may not change until 2013 when the current 10-year agreement expires.
Posted on 9/15/09 at 1:24 pm to JPLSU1981
I don't care about fair, I'd rather play UF each year.
Posted on 9/15/09 at 1:31 pm to JPLSU1981
While what you write certainly makes sense, I would never want to give up the Florida game.
First, remember how many fans complain that our schedule does not have enough competitive competition. I realize they are talking about the OOC schedule; however, leaving Florida on our permanent schedule creates excitement and interest, even when LSU is on the road against Florida.
Second, playing Florida is good for our recruiting efforts, specifically in Florida and generally on the East Coast south of the Carolinas.
Third, LSU has played Florida, off and on, for a long, long time. Let's keep it that way.
Finally, having Florida and Alabama on our schedule will always quieten down pundits who think we have it soft.
I love the competition.
First, remember how many fans complain that our schedule does not have enough competitive competition. I realize they are talking about the OOC schedule; however, leaving Florida on our permanent schedule creates excitement and interest, even when LSU is on the road against Florida.
Second, playing Florida is good for our recruiting efforts, specifically in Florida and generally on the East Coast south of the Carolinas.
Third, LSU has played Florida, off and on, for a long, long time. Let's keep it that way.
Finally, having Florida and Alabama on our schedule will always quieten down pundits who think we have it soft.
I love the competition.
Posted on 9/15/09 at 1:38 pm to Esta
There was an article (I can't find a link) done a couple of years ago about this and it was done solely for unanimity and SECpolitics.
In order to divide the conference, 6 and 6, East and West, and go to the lucrative championship game format, the conference had to have a unanimous vote. Ala and Tenn and UGA and AUB put it on hold -- to maintain their rivalries. Also, and this is just my opinion, Ala, Tenn, and UGA tend to get their way in the conference as a whole (in part why the SECCG is always in the ATL and not rotated between ATL and NOLA - just my opinion though).
Once they threatened the whole system, the permanent cross-division opponent was set up for good, with:
Ala - Tenn
AUB -- UGA
as givens.
From there, the SEC claimed it went with historical records to weight opposition. Historically at that early to mid- 1990's moment Ala, Tenn, and UGA had done the most with AUB, UF, and LSU being the next group. AUB already had a East permanent, thus, LSU - UF was born.
LSU had played UF many, if not most years already. This just so happened to coincide with Spurrier's arrival. The rest is history. At this point, it is too lucrative and can't be undone.
UF and LSU are here to stay and are as entrenched (or soon will be) as AUB-UGA (really the oldest game in the South) or ALA-TN (which is a HATE fest if you have ever been, really nasty actually).
All in all I would say it is good for LSU, but that game is and always will be a bear.
In order to divide the conference, 6 and 6, East and West, and go to the lucrative championship game format, the conference had to have a unanimous vote. Ala and Tenn and UGA and AUB put it on hold -- to maintain their rivalries. Also, and this is just my opinion, Ala, Tenn, and UGA tend to get their way in the conference as a whole (in part why the SECCG is always in the ATL and not rotated between ATL and NOLA - just my opinion though).
Once they threatened the whole system, the permanent cross-division opponent was set up for good, with:
Ala - Tenn
AUB -- UGA
as givens.
From there, the SEC claimed it went with historical records to weight opposition. Historically at that early to mid- 1990's moment Ala, Tenn, and UGA had done the most with AUB, UF, and LSU being the next group. AUB already had a East permanent, thus, LSU - UF was born.
LSU had played UF many, if not most years already. This just so happened to coincide with Spurrier's arrival. The rest is history. At this point, it is too lucrative and can't be undone.
UF and LSU are here to stay and are as entrenched (or soon will be) as AUB-UGA (really the oldest game in the South) or ALA-TN (which is a HATE fest if you have ever been, really nasty actually).
All in all I would say it is good for LSU, but that game is and always will be a bear.
Posted on 9/15/09 at 1:45 pm to bulletprooftiger
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Florida Fans and LSU fans unite...
I like rivalry that has developed from playing florida every year. Its a mark of pride. It is currently the most important rivalry in college football, ahead of both Texas-OU and Michigan-Ohio State. Also the Tiger Stadium atmosphere for the Florida game is off-the-charts. Never get rid of that game.
Posted on 9/15/09 at 1:45 pm to bayouprophet
It would truly be a sad day for college football if UT-Bama and AU-UGA didnt meet every year.
The 3rd saturday in October is truly a great scene. Moreso in K'ville that T'town. Keith Jackson says in his book "there's no other place I'd rather be than Knoxville on the 3rd sat.in October.
Especially this year with the tradition of both teams wearing dark jerseys that was halted in like 71 or so coming back, against the backdrop of the crimson and orange leaves on appalachians or the smokies in October, Dude please.
I understand where you are coming from with the Florida every year thing but I dont think you fully understand what those 2 games mean to those 4 schools. You'd have to be a fan of one of them to appreciate it.
Do this, dump all non-conference games and the SEC plays round robin. We will play UF every year and all the Tigernation can rejoice. Who cares? I have no problem with ALL teams playing all teams. Then you truly have a champion and we can dump the SECCG. I never liked the idea of beating a team twice in a season. I'd love to see the SECCG go straight to hell.
I dont want a season without AU and UT on it. Simple as that. It simply wouldnt be a Bama schedule. Nor would it be an AU or UGA schedule without each other. Drop non conference and lets all play each other but leave my UT and AU games alone. As a fan, lets keep AU and UGA too. Too much history and competition there. At One time a few years ago the series was tied and One point, one point seperated the ALL TIME score. Lets keep the Dawgs and Tigers too. Tell the USM, FIU's ULL and whatever other 3 letter school to play their own size.
The 3rd saturday in October is truly a great scene. Moreso in K'ville that T'town. Keith Jackson says in his book "there's no other place I'd rather be than Knoxville on the 3rd sat.in October.
Especially this year with the tradition of both teams wearing dark jerseys that was halted in like 71 or so coming back, against the backdrop of the crimson and orange leaves on appalachians or the smokies in October, Dude please.
I understand where you are coming from with the Florida every year thing but I dont think you fully understand what those 2 games mean to those 4 schools. You'd have to be a fan of one of them to appreciate it.
Do this, dump all non-conference games and the SEC plays round robin. We will play UF every year and all the Tigernation can rejoice. Who cares? I have no problem with ALL teams playing all teams. Then you truly have a champion and we can dump the SECCG. I never liked the idea of beating a team twice in a season. I'd love to see the SECCG go straight to hell.
I dont want a season without AU and UT on it. Simple as that. It simply wouldnt be a Bama schedule. Nor would it be an AU or UGA schedule without each other. Drop non conference and lets all play each other but leave my UT and AU games alone. As a fan, lets keep AU and UGA too. Too much history and competition there. At One time a few years ago the series was tied and One point, one point seperated the ALL TIME score. Lets keep the Dawgs and Tigers too. Tell the USM, FIU's ULL and whatever other 3 letter school to play their own size.
This post was edited on 9/15/09 at 1:56 pm
Posted on 9/15/09 at 1:49 pm to BaysideBama
You are right, BaysideBama -- it is impossible to imagine the SEC without Bama playing Tenn or AUB/UGA. I'll stand by my earlier post and say that in another few years, LSU/UF will be right there too.
Posted on 9/15/09 at 1:51 pm to BaysideBama
I totally respect your opinion and the traditions of your institution(s), but to get my full respect you should have read my entire post, because had you done that you would have seen that one of my solutions included Ten-Bama and Auburn-Georgia continuing to play every year.
I'm all for compromise. At this point, though, the other side does not appear willing to compromise at all, though. That is unfortunate.
I'm all for compromise. At this point, though, the other side does not appear willing to compromise at all, though. That is unfortunate.
This post was edited on 9/15/09 at 1:54 pm
Posted on 9/15/09 at 1:55 pm to JPLSU1981
JPLSU - I do like your original post and this discussion is a good one on the whole - obviously I like the thread.
I would ask you, though -- do you agree or disagree with the posters on this thread who seem to think it gives LSU and UF a competitive (recruiting, exposure, etc.) advantage to play each other every year?
I would ask you, though -- do you agree or disagree with the posters on this thread who seem to think it gives LSU and UF a competitive (recruiting, exposure, etc.) advantage to play each other every year?
Posted on 9/15/09 at 2:01 pm to JPLSU1981
Works for me. I am getting tired of getting beat up by Florida. I would much rather meet them in the SEC Championship game. Playing them twice in year is too much.
Posted on 9/15/09 at 2:14 pm to bayouprophet
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I would ask you, though -- do you agree or disagree with the posters on this thread who seem to think it gives LSU and UF a competitive (recruiting, exposure, etc.) advantage to play each other every year?
Of course. Like I said, I love the LSU-Florida game. I am totally in favor of it being played every year. My issue is more with the other teams than with LSU. If we are playing Florida every year, then I expect Bama, Ole Miss, and Auburn to be playing Florida every year. While that may not be feasible, IMO a compromise would be for every Western Team to play every Eastern team (every other year). That way, every SEC team meets every other SEC team (obviously, the West will play the West every year, but in every two year period, every west team plays every east team).
Back to your question, the LSU-Florida game is huge. It is obviously the biggest game the SEC has to offer in terms of "national appeal." This is certainly a good thing for the SEC and for LSU as well as Florida.
That said, I am an LSU fan first and an SEC fan second. Now that Ole Miss is back to relevant, it is completely unfair that Ole Miss is playing Vanderbilt every year while we are playing Florida every year. There is no question about it: whether I am whining or not, it is simply unfair.
Like I said, I'm all for compromise. If Alabama-Tennessee and Auburn-Georgia want to keep that game locked, then fine, I have no problem with that. But let the rest of us rotate, because LSU getting stuck with Florida and Bama and Ole Miss getting "mid-tier" permanent opponents is not fair and will result in LSU losing out on a trip to Atlanta once or twice a decade ... which is NOT good for LSU.
Posted on 9/15/09 at 2:18 pm to JPLSU1981
It will never get done because of this:
and this:
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As an LSU fan
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I felt an email was necessary from me, an LSU fan
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Geaux Tigers!
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