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re: Explain the balk

Posted on 6/8/21 at 8:41 am to
Posted by chickenwing
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Posted on 6/8/21 at 8:41 am to
The pitcher shall be charged with a balk if, while in contact with the rubber, he throws to a fielder who is either in front of or behind first or third base and obviously not making an attempt at retiring the runner at that base," the rule states.
Posted by MMauler
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Posted on 6/8/21 at 8:58 am to
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Not the rule but why the pitcher kept throwing to first. Beloso has not stolen a base all year.



Just a guess -- Notice the LEFT HANDED pitcher used a high leg kick. Often runners go on first movement, i.e., as soon as the pitcher lifts his forward leg. Other than Maury Wills, I think everyone believes that it's harder to steal second against a left handed pitcher because you cannot just go on first movement of left handed pitcher because of his ability to use the high leg kick.

I'm thinking that Oregon thought that LSU was going to run the squeeze play (NOT the safety squeeze) and they were hoping that the runner on third would take off on the left handed pitcher's first movement, i.e., when he lifted his forward foot. The pitcher would then throw the ball to first and the first basement would simply throw the ball home and catch the runner on third going home. So, it had nothing to do with Beloso stealing the base but hoping the runner on third took off on first movement to get a jump.

Unfortunately for Oregon, not all of their player were on the same page.

I thought that it was a balk on two accounts. First, the first basement taking off and not being on the base, and, therefore, the pitcher did not throw to the base. Second, it looks like to me that the pitcher bent his knee in before (or simultaneously with) lifting his forward foot. In doing so, he must go to the plate. In order to go to first base, a left handed pitcher using a high leg kick must keep his back leg straight and go straight "up" with his forward leg - otherwise he is deemed to be "deceiving" the runner.

Looking at the reaction of Beloso, the first base coach, and the ump, I think it was the second violation that the ump was actually calling.

Just my $.02.
This post was edited on 6/8/21 at 9:08 am
Posted by Baseball Tiger 17
Member since Jun 2017
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Posted on 6/8/21 at 9:09 am to
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Thompson was never going to tip his hand with any of those attempts. Thats why it didnt make any sense


Thompson did tip his hand more than once
Posted by mikelbr
Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2008
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Posted on 6/8/21 at 9:23 am to
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The pitcher shall be charged with a balk if, while in contact with the rubber, he throws to a fielder who is either in front of or behind first or third base and obviously not making an attempt at retiring the runner at that base," the rule states.



Yep. I'm admittedly baseball retarded but when Ben McDonald saw the replay with the 1b in view, he yelled out something like this.
"Oh he was crashing. Yep, That's a balk right there. What was he thinking? Pitch the ball!"

Then it made sense to me.

I'm just glad it was a blatant balk and not some shite Oregon fans and players can bitch about.
Posted by Bengal26
Member since Oct 2014
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Posted on 6/8/21 at 9:43 am to
My guess was that he kept picking to lull Beloso from taking second when they did the crash play on the bunt. When the first baseman crashes, no one is holding Beloso on, so its an easy base to steal. He just got mixed up on the signals & you could see the catcher with his arms up before he even pitched.
Posted by tjtiger9
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Posted on 6/8/21 at 9:46 am to
They were trying to get Thompson to tip his hand with bunt.
Balk was called because pitcher made a continuous move to throw to a player not in a base. It would not have been a ball if the pitcher would have stepped off the rubber and then threw.
Posted by LSU$$$
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Member since Jan 2013
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Posted on 6/8/21 at 9:47 am to
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My guess was that he kept picking to lull Beloso from taking second when they did the crash play on the bunt.


I'm pretty sure this was done because Thompson squared to bunt on the first pitch but then took a pitch. The Oregon coaches couldn't figure out what LSU was trying to do, so they were trying to see on the pickoff attempts if Thompson would square to bunt again. Oregon was trying to guess whether to have the infielders crash the plate for the squeeze play.
Posted by cypTiGer
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Member since Oct 2015
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Posted on 6/8/21 at 11:11 am to
The first baseman was not on the bag. Referring to the fielder, not the base runner.
Posted by The Boat
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Posted on 6/8/21 at 11:25 am to
That’s not why the balk was called
Posted by cypTiGer
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Posted on 6/8/21 at 11:35 am to
Ok…if you say so
Posted by The Boat
Member since Oct 2008
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Posted on 6/8/21 at 11:37 am to
Look at the pitcher set his foot down, stumble and open up before he threw the ball. That’s why the balk was called
Posted by Flat Town Tiger
Washington, La.
Member since Oct 2006
568 posts
Posted on 6/8/21 at 11:38 am to
Position player must be covering bag if an attempted throw over is indicated by the pitcher's movement. Cannot deceive the baserunner. That's what I remember from coaching. Just a mental lapse on the player and pitcher.
Posted by The Boat
Member since Oct 2008
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Posted on 6/8/21 at 11:40 am to
Which is true but the stumbling and opening up was done before he threw the ball. Which means that was the balk. It doesn’t matter what happened after the balk. Like in a courtroom the throw didn’t actually happen because the balk already happened.
Posted by Pelican fan99
Lafayette, Louisiana
Member since Jun 2013
38893 posts
Posted on 6/8/21 at 11:43 am to
They got what they deserve. Bunch of losers for throwing to first that many times
Posted by dadof4grads
Gretna, LA
Member since Mar 2013
627 posts
Posted on 6/8/21 at 11:50 am to
The throws to first were so limp, they couldn’t possible read what Thompson was actually going to do. I wondered why a pinch runner didn’t replace Beloso as soon as he got on first
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