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re: ESPN College Football Live pre season football ranking
Posted on 4/28/12 at 4:48 am to Rickdaddy4188
Posted on 4/28/12 at 4:48 am to Rickdaddy4188
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quote: so when exactly do the USC sanctions actually start to affect them or them signing full recruiting classes? They signed 30 guys in 2011 and 15 this year. How does signing 45 guys in two years go along with sanctions that were supposed to take away 30, some odd, scholarships? Are they planning on having a 5 person signing class this year? They are effected now. They don't have near the depth they once had.
Exactly. We are playing this season with no depth at critical positions. Only one NFL caliber DL, and 2 quality RB's (injury prone position) tell just part of the story. There is plenty of depth on defense, but it's in the secondary and LB positions. We do have a few decent players on offense though, and we'll win a few games. Should be a fun season.
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Posted on 4/28/12 at 5:34 am to tiger7882
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6.georgia
7.Florida State
8.South Carolina
9.Arkansas
Not buying it!
Posted on 4/28/12 at 5:44 am to loweralabamatrojan
Your depth hasn't been directly affected yet because of scholarship limitations. You signed 45 players the last 2 years. Depth won't be affected by that until the guys graduate this year and next. Your depth has been affected by attrition of graduation, early entree, and transfers.
Based on the initial sanctions, USC was only supposed to be able to sign 15 guys in 2011, 2012, and 2013. USC was also not supposed to have a roster bigger than 75 players during that span. Well, if my math is correct, you signed 30 in 2011 and backcounted 14 of those because they were EEs to 2010. That's 16. Then you signed 16 last season. USC has 68 returning scholarship players (i read two are supposed to transfer). So 66+16 signees is 82 players. How is Kiffin going to shuffle 7 players out of the program to get down to the max allowable 75 under the sanctions?
That would also mean that Kiffin can sign a max of 13 players this season to equal the 45 scholarships USC was allowed over three years, having "technically" signed 32 already. The fact that the NCAA let Kiffin backcount 14 players to 2010 and build depth before the sanctions kicked in in 2011 is utter bullshite.
I'm sure USC is really feeling the pressure
In reality, they signed as big a class as they could possibly get (not hard at USC) in 2011 and circumvented the system. The SEC doesn't even let schools backcount EE players anymore with the new max 25 rule, yet the Pac12 and NCAA lets USC.
Based on the initial sanctions, USC was only supposed to be able to sign 15 guys in 2011, 2012, and 2013. USC was also not supposed to have a roster bigger than 75 players during that span. Well, if my math is correct, you signed 30 in 2011 and backcounted 14 of those because they were EEs to 2010. That's 16. Then you signed 16 last season. USC has 68 returning scholarship players (i read two are supposed to transfer). So 66+16 signees is 82 players. How is Kiffin going to shuffle 7 players out of the program to get down to the max allowable 75 under the sanctions?
That would also mean that Kiffin can sign a max of 13 players this season to equal the 45 scholarships USC was allowed over three years, having "technically" signed 32 already. The fact that the NCAA let Kiffin backcount 14 players to 2010 and build depth before the sanctions kicked in in 2011 is utter bullshite.
I'm sure USC is really feeling the pressure
In reality, they signed as big a class as they could possibly get (not hard at USC) in 2011 and circumvented the system. The SEC doesn't even let schools backcount EE players anymore with the new max 25 rule, yet the Pac12 and NCAA lets USC.This post was edited on 4/28/12 at 5:49 am
Posted on 4/28/12 at 5:58 am to tiger7882
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1. USC
2.LSU
Kiffin was scared to play SEC teams every week so he bolted to sunny california where he could face washington state, arizona state, arizona, washington, oregon st, utah, colorado, and ND each year instead of LSU, alabama, florida, georgia, arkansas, auburn, etc....
Kiffin gonna be crying in january cause he can't run from the SEC when USC faces LSU in miami.
Hey kiffin be a man a let mrs. kiffin come on back to SEC country.
This post was edited on 4/28/12 at 6:01 am
Posted on 4/28/12 at 6:00 am to lsufball19
There's a pretty good article here that breaks out the scholarship math. The transfers you alluded to would not have happened if SC had not been sanctioned. USC is, in fact, being affected negatively by NCAA sanctions, specifically regarding depth of quality personnel.
Your inference that the NCAA has been in any way lenient toward USC is amusing though.
Your inference that the NCAA has been in any way lenient toward USC is amusing though.
This post was edited on 4/28/12 at 6:02 am
Posted on 4/28/12 at 6:25 am to loweralabamatrojan
FECESPN
Posted on 4/28/12 at 6:27 am to loweralabamatrojan
I didn't say the NCAA is intentionally being lenient to USC, it's just so convenient that there is the loop hole in NCAA recruiting rules that allowed USC to backcount 14 early enrollees, which if you think about it, makes 45 scholarships over 3 years, 59 scholarships over 3 years, which is only 16 less than the 75 allowable as is, well at least now that the max is 25 signees. USC lost 6 total players to transfer once the NCAA granted them "immunity" from sitting out a year. Malik Jackson (good player, would have graduated by now reagrdless), Sentreal Henderson (looks like he might be a bust at Miami, verdict out though), Jordan Campbell (transferred to Louisville for his senior year, ineligible for agent contact and never played), Travon Patterson (transferred for his senior year, wasn't good), Glen Stanley (juco commit that never made it to FSU), and DJ Shoemate (transferred for his senior year).
So of the 6 players that transferred following the sanctions, 2 were commits (one JUCO commit), and the rest were guys that would have graduated by now anyways. Malik Jackson was the only player that would have contributed out of the players that transferred. Sentreal Henderson was the only commit that could have been still on the team. Every team has depth issues some when certain players graduate. USC signed 30 guys, 15 4 stars or greater, in 2011. Those guys are juniors now.
I'm not saying USC got it easy, but they aren't feeling the effects of what should have been devastating like other teams would have felt under similar circumstances. The back counting they were able to do saved Kiffin's arse in 2011. If he hadn't been able to do that, y'all would be absolutely screwed right now.
So of the 6 players that transferred following the sanctions, 2 were commits (one JUCO commit), and the rest were guys that would have graduated by now anyways. Malik Jackson was the only player that would have contributed out of the players that transferred. Sentreal Henderson was the only commit that could have been still on the team. Every team has depth issues some when certain players graduate. USC signed 30 guys, 15 4 stars or greater, in 2011. Those guys are juniors now.
I'm not saying USC got it easy, but they aren't feeling the effects of what should have been devastating like other teams would have felt under similar circumstances. The back counting they were able to do saved Kiffin's arse in 2011. If he hadn't been able to do that, y'all would be absolutely screwed right now.
This post was edited on 4/28/12 at 6:30 am
Posted on 4/28/12 at 7:14 am to lsufball19
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I'm not saying USC got it easy, but they aren't feeling the effects of what should have been devastating like other teams would have felt under similar circumstances. The back counting they were able to do saved Kiffin's arse in 2011. If he hadn't been able to do that, y'all would be absolutely screwed right now.
Don't think I'm not enjoying the (perfectly legal, and playing by the rules) FU this is sending to the NCAA right now.
If we had 10 more scholarships this season I guarantee you we'd be looking to stockpile some interior DL, a couple of tailbacks and a few extra OL, but those are luxuries we don't have. It will take an incredible stroke of luck for us to still be in the championship discussion in December, but it is both fun and funny for the time being.
Posted on 4/28/12 at 7:28 am to BarlesCharkley
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USC is so overrated. If one part of the holy trinity goes down, then they go to being slighly above average on offense. Together though they are a holy trinity.
and if Mett goes down, guess what?
LSU with no QB? 13-1 SEC Champs?
Posted on 4/28/12 at 7:33 am to tiger7882
No Auburn?
Posted on 4/28/12 at 8:25 am to tiger7882
Bama's too high. LOst too much on defense.
Posted on 4/28/12 at 8:36 am to tiger7882
I'm actually shocked to see ND ranked so low.....usually they're in the top 15 for unknown reasons
Posted on 4/28/12 at 9:21 am to Rickdaddy4188
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They needed everything they had to beat Minnesota 19-17. Thy also needed everything to beat a 4-8 Arizona team 48-41.
you do realize how young USC was early in the season right?
Posted on 4/28/12 at 9:29 am to BarlesCharkley
USC scheduale is sooo weak!!!!
Posted on 4/28/12 at 9:32 am to TenTex
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#22 Texas
Mac Brown really knows how to develop those 4 and 5 star Texas recruits!
That's pathetic. With the enormous abundance of talent in that state UT should never be out of the top 15, if not the top 10. EVER.
I wonder how long the boosters will put up with Brown's underachieving and who they'd go after if they gave Mack the knife? Texas has lots of $$$.
This post was edited on 4/28/12 at 9:34 am
Posted on 4/28/12 at 9:36 am to loweralabamatrojan
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Your inference that the NCAA has been in any way lenient toward USC is amusing though
Not sure who said that but it is kind of laughable. Though it must be said, repeat offender status never has a happy ending.
Posted on 4/28/12 at 9:38 am to dbt_Geaux_Tigers_196
Ask Alabama
Posted on 4/28/12 at 9:50 am to tiger7882
Bama will jump us after their win over Michigan. Just can't believe USC is up there again. That's ridiculous.
Posted on 4/28/12 at 9:55 am to lsutigermall
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Just can't believe USC is up there again.
Favorable schedule. It's a good pick imo.
Posted on 4/28/12 at 9:59 am to Txsbigeasy1
Cotton Bowl
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