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re: Eric Reid's quote

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Posted by TxTiger82
Member since Sep 2004
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Posted on 6/2/11 at 3:19 pm to
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But the guys that break the rules already feel entitled. At least many do.



Again, I fear you are projecting your own biases onto these players.

That word..."entitlement." Brings up all sorts of social and political implications....
Posted by GeorgeTheGreek
Sparta, Greece
Member since Mar 2008
68547 posts
Posted on 6/2/11 at 3:20 pm to
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$7,000 a year


Conservatively let's say a football team carries 60 scholarship players.

That's 420 K a year. Athletic departments are already in the red. LSU is a rare case. So it is, in fact, a lot of money. UTEP can't afford this kind of pay.

LSU can. Uneven playing field.
Posted by GeorgeTheGreek
Sparta, Greece
Member since Mar 2008
68547 posts
Posted on 6/2/11 at 3:21 pm to
Fair enough, i'll let you have that point about projecting.
Posted by TxTiger82
Member since Sep 2004
34324 posts
Posted on 6/2/11 at 3:21 pm to
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That's 420 K a year.


I'm sorry, but that is a drop in the bucket when these programs spend millions.

Your point about UTEP et al. is granted, however. I just don't think it is as big of an issue as you are making it out to be.
Posted by TxTiger82
Member since Sep 2004
34324 posts
Posted on 6/2/11 at 3:22 pm to
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GeorgeTheGreek




Good points, man. Enjoyable conversation, IMO. Unfortunately I have to run.
Posted by GeorgeTheGreek
Sparta, Greece
Member since Mar 2008
68547 posts
Posted on 6/2/11 at 3:23 pm to
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Your point about UTEP et al. is granted, however. I just don't think it is as big of an issue as you are making it out to be.


The main point is, it creates an uneven playing field. And over 10 to 15 years it becomes a lot of money. The rich get richer and the poor get poorer. LSU would always be making money ... UTEP would always be losing money.

One year it's not a huge difference, but it's over the long run where it really hurts.
Posted by GeorgeTheGreek
Sparta, Greece
Member since Mar 2008
68547 posts
Posted on 6/2/11 at 3:24 pm to
Good stuff bro. Appreciate the debate.

frick utep
Posted by King Joey
Just south of the DC/US border
Member since Mar 2004
12722 posts
Posted on 6/2/11 at 3:32 pm to
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I'm sorry, but that is a drop in the bucket when these programs spend millions.
That's over 20% of "millions". Hardly a drop in the bucket. Remember, that is more than the salary of the vast majority of assistant coaches, including coordinators. And this on top of the expense of running a program that loses money for most FBS schools. It is a signficant expense, even if some programs (like ours) can and would eagerly afford it.

Posted by clamdip
Rocky Mountain High
Member since Sep 2004
20397 posts
Posted on 6/2/11 at 3:32 pm to
i'd agree that the UTEPs of the college football world need to be bumped down a level. I'd like to see a true Div I top tier that includes only about 60 teams.
Posted by The_Pistol
Member since Dec 2003
2519 posts
Posted on 6/2/11 at 3:34 pm to
I think everyone in this thread is missing the point. The real issue here is monopolistic practice. The only truly fair thing for the NCAA to do would be to allow these students to hire agents and bargain for their worth as determined by a free market.

As the current system stands, the NCAA football can bar competition from the market. NCAA football serves as a de-facto farm system for the NFL, and nobody can possibly develop a competing product because laws prevent them from doing so.

Ask yourself this: Why is it against the law in Louisiana for an agent to attempt to sign an LSU athlete?

This is akin to (hypothetically) Exxon being banned from LSU's career day because the petroleum engineering students are doing such a great job for the state-run oil company.
Posted by Bubba Hotep
Member since Nov 2003
9330 posts
Posted on 6/2/11 at 3:44 pm to
There is nothing monopolistic about trying to maintain an amateur program. Plenty of organizations have rules. If you want to be in the organization, follow the rules.

There is NAIA football, junior college football, semi-pro leagues across the country, Arena ball. If these players are so valuable, take their talents and sell them to the highest bidder. I will be an LSU season ticket holder regardless.

These players don't generate a dime of revenue from me. You could substitute all 85 for another 85 I will still be there.
Posted by GeorgeTheGreek
Sparta, Greece
Member since Mar 2008
68547 posts
Posted on 6/2/11 at 3:49 pm to
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The real issue here is monopolistic practice.




The NFL is a monopoly too and they still struggle with this. Hell they are in a lockout. Next thing you know NCAA players will be forming a union, driving the price of pay up and really really screwing up intercollegiate athletics.
This post was edited on 6/2/11 at 3:54 pm
Posted by The_Pistol
Member since Dec 2003
2519 posts
Posted on 6/2/11 at 4:07 pm to
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There is nothing monopolistic about trying to maintain an amateur program.


You're exactly right. That's why the NCAA must not ever pay their players. That's why former NCAA executive director, Walter Byers, called it "economic camouflage for monopolistic practice."
Posted by GeorgeTheGreek
Sparta, Greece
Member since Mar 2008
68547 posts
Posted on 6/2/11 at 4:15 pm to
So you want players to form unions, drive up salaries and potentially bankrupt institutions and destroy intercollegiate athletics? ... because that's what you're asking for.

Think for a second instead of getting sucked up into your book.
This post was edited on 6/2/11 at 4:18 pm
Posted by The_Pistol
Member since Dec 2003
2519 posts
Posted on 6/2/11 at 4:16 pm to
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These players don't generate a dime of revenue from me. You could substitute all 85 for another 85 I will still be there.


But TV ratings would suffer if the field were littered by sub-par players. NCAA revenue would fall. Fewer games would be televised, etc...

I don't question your loyalty to LSU's brand, but as a whole, interest would fall off if the athletes weren't amongst the most-skilled.
Posted by Hired Gun
Ibervillian Civilian
Member since Feb 2005
1874 posts
Posted on 6/2/11 at 4:23 pm to
George, i read your first post about all the free shite they get and i agree that they should not get paid. What about players being able to access conventional loans from boosters, coaches, school athletic departments or TAF-type entities?
Posted by nvasil1
Hellinois
Member since Oct 2009
17405 posts
Posted on 6/2/11 at 4:26 pm to
If you want to pay the players, give each student-athlete an account when they enroll and just direct deposit a stipend into it every semester they complete, but they can't touch it. They can claim it once they earn their degree.

It will still allow for pro prospects to leave early for a big payday if they want, but encourage those who stay to work towards graduating.
Posted by The_Pistol
Member since Dec 2003
2519 posts
Posted on 6/2/11 at 4:30 pm to
quote:

So you want players to form unions, drive up salaries and potentially bankrupt institutions and destroy intercollegiate athletics? ... because that's what you're asking for.


Yes. And in the process, I'd like people to be free to earn market rates for their hard work and talents.
Posted by tigerpawl
Can't get there from here.
Member since Dec 2003
22628 posts
Posted on 6/2/11 at 4:38 pm to
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it’s time to start discussing paying players.
This is a slippery slope. Idiotic, I'd say. You can kiss the game of football as we know it good bye. This is a really stupid idea.

The players are already getting a scholarship for the skills they bring. If they add monetary incentives on top of that, then they should also compensate every student at the University to keep an even keel.

If they do start paying players, then you can watch for lap dances in the press box. Just plain stupid. It will bastardize the game.
This post was edited on 6/2/11 at 4:44 pm
Posted by windhammontanatigers
windham-stanford, montana
Member since Nov 2009
4993 posts
Posted on 6/2/11 at 5:11 pm to
Well said Bob.
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