re: Eric Reid crossing the picket line, now says he will stand

I contradicted nothing. You just lack the simple critical thinking skills required because you are attached emotionally to Progressive Race Narrative.

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I contradicted nothing.

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You presented a position that Reid was hurting people by dividing the country amongst race and political identity. Then you made a divisive statement about political identity.

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You just lack the simple critical thinking skills required because you are attached emotionally to Progressive Race Narrative.

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Interesting. Can you point to anywhere in this thread where I made ANY comment on race. Literally any one would do. Once you do, I will concede that I am obviously way too emotionally attached to the progressive race narrative and it has clouded my critical thinking abilities.

If not, maybe you can make up another argument on what my beliefs are and why it's clouding my judgement?

This is even worse than kneeling in the first place I used to be a big ER fan and now he's just a baby back second rate b*tch.

And you know his agent was f'ing irate when he was busy "standing by my principles"

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This young man has just learned one of life’s lessons. In this country, we have the freedom to say pretty much anything we want to say...but we have to be ready to deal with whatever social consequences result.

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This.

As much as I despise the way some people React to the things I believe and say, I completely support their right to. They have every right to react the way they do to what I say as I do to say it. That's the beauty of this country. The free and open exchange of ideas is one of the things that made this country great and that's being threatened now from many sides of society.

The whole concept of Liberty being the basis of the foundations for a country, is that there will be no legal repercussions for exercising fundamental freedoms but people are people and there's nothing in place and there shouldn't be, to prevent societal repercussions for exercising those freedoms. The very same mechanisms that protect your right to believe what you want to believe and say what you want to say are the same mechanisms that allow people to react in kind.

Freedom doesn't come without a cost but it's still way cheaper than tyranny.

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If you want to be Rosa Parks, you have to get arrested. You don't get to be what Rosa is today during the "struggle." There were dogs and hoses and spit before there was glory. Failing to understand that is why there can't truly be a struggle. That America is dead and buried

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Well said.

I think people are looking for meaning in their lives now because so many things are meaningless. The family unit is struggling to stay cohesive(in the past multiple Generations lived at least in the same neighborhood if not in the same house), the economy isn't what it used be or as it was during the height of American exceptionalism, people don't have a bond to the Earth like they did when we were an agrarian Society, religion isn't popular anymore(and I'm not even religious but I understand it gives many people meaning in their lives), people don't have many hobbies like they did back in the day(playing video games and watching TV aren't Hobbies, those are diversions) and the products we buy are cheap and disposable and have no heirloom value or special connection to us.

Meaningless people with meaningless lives so everyone wants to be a hero or social justice Warrior. Heroes and warriors Have meaning and purpose. They set goals and gather Glory and adulation. I really think that's what people like Eric Reid are after. These people should receive our pity, not our pride. Our hand, not our foot

There have been people in my life who I didn't see eye-to-eye with but despite this, I remained open to them. Often times these people became close friends.

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They were protesting the flag and the anthem for their supposed purpose of addressing "systemic racism in the law enforcement and judicial system. " Certainly, you see the difference, right? 

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of course. that doesnt change the fact that virtuosity is subjective. i dont agree with their protesting at all.

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The point is that "HOW" you protest is important. These guys chose the anthem for a purpose. They wanted an uproar. They wanted the attention. I know, because otherwise, they would have realized that people were being offended and modified their protest. They didn't. They doubled down. They called people who had a problem with the protest racist. Eric Reid doesn't get it. 

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agreed.

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the protest involved Reid running to the stands and spitting in someone's face, would people be rightfully offended by that? 

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thats not peacefully protesting so yes id be offended by it.

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he harsh cold reality is that Eric Reid can't move the way he used to and he's concussion prone. I think he's done as a player. It would be interesting to see what he ran the 40 in these days. Eric Reid is in denial. He's blaming his protest because he doesn't want to face the truth.

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i still think he can play in this league but the owners have every right to hire whomever they want.

its ironic that Reid touts his right to protest but has a problem with the owners right to hire whomever they want.

You missed the point earlier in the thread. My point was not that we can"t disagree whether Reid's histrionics are virtuous (fair-minded people can disagree) , -it's that it is a fallacy that every public protest is by it's very nature, inherently "patriotic" or virtuous.

One can support the right for The American Nazi Party to protest in the streets of Skokie Illinois, and understand that that is neither patriotic or virtuous. There is nothing patriotic or virtuous about the Klan protesting to deny blacks their rights or Antifa protesting against Free Speech for those they disagree with. It's a self-evident point.

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i still think he can play in this league but the owners have every right to hire whomever they want.

its ironic that Reid touts his right to protest but has a problem with the owners right to hire whomever they want.

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Controversial individuals usually wind up as....individuals. alone.

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Avoiding controversy means avoiding change, progress, innovation. This situation aside, controversial people are the people that ask difficult questions, challenge the status quo and inspire others. Leaders, for better or worse.