re: Entitled Teams/Media Hypocricy/BCS Formula/Con Champs- Hilarity Ensues UPDATE OP

Texas and K State are there two wins.

Do you think OSU beats Alabama. One lost as a damn near 30 point favorite, one lost by 3 to one of the best teams in CFB history.

Who is better Alabama or OSU?

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Read my OP. No, Bama is better. This is strictly focussing on media bias and how it works for some teams.

Let me ask you this:

If Ok State was in Bama's place today, would they be in? NO! Podunk Okey State "didn't win their conference".

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I dont know about that.

I do know that the BCS is supposed to take the two best teams and pit them together at the end of the year.

I would think that this year would be proof that is works perfectly if in fact Bama and LSU do play.

NOW, if the media just arbitrarily decide they dont want to see a rematch, and vote OSU in over Bama, well then you have a case.

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That is not the premise of this thread at all.


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The premise of the thread is that entitled teams get where they are with preferential treatment.

You mentioned Bama and ND as these type teams.

Bama is ranked number 2, you objectively agree that they are number 2.

If they put an inferior team(OSU)over a superior team(BAMA), that would be bias.

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The premise of the thread is that entitled teams get where they are with preferential treatment.

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Yes.

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You mentioned Bama and ND as these type teams.

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Yes.

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Bama is ranked number 2, you objectively agree that they are number 2.

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Yes.

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If they put an inferior team(OSU)over a superior team(BAMA), that would be bias.

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No, it would follow the pattern/logic they have used in the past for their darlings.

Put it this way, IF OSU beats OU this weekend, and the voters place OSU in the game over Bama because "OSU won their conference", THEN this thread is null and void.

Right now, OSU's resume/overall body of work is better than Bama's, even though I think Bama would stomp them. That was the whole premise of establishing the BCS: so that SOS would be a major factor.

Had OSU already lost to LSU this year, they would not be in the discussion.

Hell, had LSU lost to Bama in BR, the kind folks at ESPN would look straight in the camera and say "Sorry LSU, you had your chance and lost AT HOME to the #1 team. Someone else deserves a shot".

You know this and I know this. Frick, Bama fans know this too.

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"Sorry LSU, you had your chance and lost AT HOME to the #1 team. Someone else deserves a shot".

You know this and I know this. Frick, Bama fans know this too.

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the same system that is saying we could lose the SECCG and probably still play for the national title?

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No, not at all. I felt the two best teams were playing each other.

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How do you know bama is the second best team? Because they look good on paper? I bet the first time you watched oklahoma state was in the third quater of the Iowa State game because you heard they were having trouble with them. Their offense is damn good. Their defensive STATISTICS are bad. However they create turnovers. They have been opportunistic all season giving their offense more shots with the ball. Also if statistics tell the whole story then bama would be better than us.

For the record I agree that Bama is the better team and would beat OSU. However that doesnt matter because that is purely subjective. IT should be about what team has objectively shown they are the better team and OSU has proven that more in their wins. I want bama because they will bring the more hyped matchup but to say that they deserve it over OSU is false.

Wow. I think this is a great post.... Your so right, after reading the link to the Bleacher Report back then, it makes one scratch thier head..... WTF?? Until we have some system where people have no say so, it will be like this. Lets just hope the voters have the intergity to make things right, IF State wins...

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You can't claim media bias screwed up the system. In 2003 or today. The media didn't write the rules, the BCS committee wrote the rules.

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Who was the BCS committee appeasing when they changed the formula after 2003? What group got pissy and removed their poll from the formula?

Answer: The Media.
Why? Because one of their darlings was hurt.

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The most glaring example that makes my point is this business about conference champions. Every media talking head, coach, fan, and message board poster has their own opinion on whether conference non-champions should be eligible for the BCSNCG. But none of that group wrote the rules.

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Agreed. You are helping me prove my point: In 2003, YOU HAD TO WIN YOUR CONFERENCE, according to the media. In 2011, that's changing again.

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The media will hype the controversy though, because it sells ad time, and drives ratings.

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I agree with you again, but again, focus on my OP: When do these perceived injustices get pointed out by the media?

Answer: When one of their darlings is involved. Where was the media in 2004 with Auburn? Oh yeah, tough shite podunk Auburn. (PS - Auburn is third on my hate list right below Al Quaid and and another SEC school).

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And you can't claim they changed the rules in 2004 to favor a media darling who got screwed (USC), when the rules were changed as a direct result of the perceived screwing by another media darling on your list (Oklahoma. Which slid into BCSNCG after losing, because of the computers). That just doesn't make sense...

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OU did not win their conference and will ALWAYS be a media darling. Sorry, even media darlings have a pecking order. The market will always declare your importance. I made this point in the OP as well. Of course OU was going to get screwed over for USC. USC is in the largest media market that caters to CFB. If Oklahoma was replaced with team from New York City with a following similar to USC's, for example, I'd be willing to bet LSU would have been left out in 2003. The media's job is to make money. A team like LSU in Baton Rouge does not do that for them. That's why we have to play by different rules. I, for one, am thrilled with our Playstation like schedule this year.

And yes, the formula was changed in 2004 specifically because of the media's perceived slight of USC. Several of them said so themselves when bragging about the change and discussing that confusing "strength of schedule" factor.

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Good post tho. Interesting read. Love the black helicopter talk throughout this thread. It's funny...the media has about as much choice in who goes to the BCSNCG as we do. Their poll (AP) is no longer counted.

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I'm aware of this, but that doesn't stop the media influence overall.

Love your responses, EZE.

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I dont know about that.

I do know that the BCS is supposed to take the two best teams and pit them together at the end of the year.

I would think that this year would be proof that is works perfectly if in fact Bama and LSU do play.

NOW, if the media just arbitrarily decide they dont want to see a rematch, and vote OSU in over Bama, well then you have a case.

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