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re: End of half scoring drives, 2009-current (DEFENSE)
Posted on 11/8/12 at 11:02 am to AlwysATgr
Posted on 11/8/12 at 11:02 am to AlwysATgr
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Also, (don't know the specifics) but PSU drove the field and scored late (FG) in the '09 Cap1 Bowl which proved to be the winner. IMO, this should be added to the OP's list.
Yeah, that drive was about 6ish minutes long.
Again, I was trying to sort more for the "quick strike" type scores that leave you saying "wow, they just marched right on down the field really quickly."
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Posted on 11/8/12 at 11:05 am to PurpleAndGold86
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We didn't run prevent against Bama also. If you think this then you clearly need to go back and watch the football game again
It wasn't prevent, but it was soft coverage to prevent big gains. We played 10 yards off the receiver and gave McCarron easy 10-15 yard completions.
What we were doing before hand was perfect, why we went into a defense that also allowed last minute scores against both A&M and South Carolina is the most baffling.
Posted on 11/8/12 at 11:07 am to Chimlim
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why we went into a defense that also allowed last minute scores against both A&M and South Carolina is the most baffling.
Both of those games were more of a prevent defense. The coverage against Bama was very soft but still we blitzed 5 on multiple plays during the drive.
Posted on 11/8/12 at 11:08 am to DrEdgeLSU
Good post. Chavis/Miles have an issue here.
Posted on 11/8/12 at 11:19 am to PurpleAndGold86
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The coverage against Bama was very soft
Forget the semantics of prevent vs soft, etc. The question remains...why would you go into soft coverage when McCarron was 1/7 for 0 yds in the first 28:30 of the 2nd half while you were pressing them? The play they scored the TD on was a great call against our defense, props to Bama for that. But the 4 previous plays were what got them into position. Even if we sniff out the screen, they're still in game-tying FG range. It was just an awful strategy up by only 3.
Posted on 11/8/12 at 11:20 am to DrEdgeLSU
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2010 LSU vs Arkansas
End of 1st half -- 1 play, 80 yds, 0:06 TOP, TD (Arkansas 21-14, 0:00)
Live Gold.
Posted on 11/8/12 at 11:26 am to medtiger
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It was just an awful strategy up by only 3.
I agree. I never said what we did was any good. I simply said it wasn't a "prevent" defense. It wasn't. It sucked arse and no one will ever know why we went soft on the drive.
Posted on 11/8/12 at 11:30 am to medtiger
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The question remains...why would you go into soft coverage when McCarron was 1/7 for 0 yds in the first 28:30 of the 2nd half while you were pressing them?
Great question.
McCarron is a good (great?) QB who's having an incredible season. Former QBs will often talk about getting into a rhythm (similar to batting in baseball and shooting in hoops). McCarron was in a funk in the 2nd half.
I don't have the time/capability to see what/if we changed anything on their last possessions of each half, but especially in the 2nd half it allowed him to find his rhythm.
Whether Chavis/Les factor this in who knows.
Posted on 11/8/12 at 11:36 am to AlwysATgr
I did a little research of my own, not as detailed etc but basically since 05 the games won or lost at the end.
17-7 under Miles that I came up with
Late wins pulled from defeat:
ASU05, UF05, Aubie05, Bama05, UT06, OM06, Arky06, UF07, Aubie07, Bama07, Troy08, UGA09, Arky09, UT10, UF10 OM10 Bama11
Late losses snatched from victory:
UT05, UK07, Arky07, Bama08, Arky08 PSU09, Bama12
I could have missed a couple but I think I got most of them. For winning/losing late either from behind or losing a late lead/tie....17-7 is a pretty solid record in that situation....
JMO and yeah I was trying to make myself cheer up
17-7 under Miles that I came up with
Late wins pulled from defeat:
ASU05, UF05, Aubie05, Bama05, UT06, OM06, Arky06, UF07, Aubie07, Bama07, Troy08, UGA09, Arky09, UT10, UF10 OM10 Bama11
Late losses snatched from victory:
UT05, UK07, Arky07, Bama08, Arky08 PSU09, Bama12
I could have missed a couple but I think I got most of them. For winning/losing late either from behind or losing a late lead/tie....17-7 is a pretty solid record in that situation....
JMO and yeah I was trying to make myself cheer up
Posted on 11/8/12 at 11:40 am to stapuffmarshy
Would be interesting to also look at that versus the opportunities we or the other teams have had.
% of times LSU was leading by 8 or less under 2 minutes vs times teams have come back.
% of times other teams were leading by 8 or less under 2 minutes vs times LSU has come back.
% of times LSU was leading by 8 or less under 2 minutes vs times teams have come back.
% of times other teams were leading by 8 or less under 2 minutes vs times LSU has come back.
Posted on 11/8/12 at 11:40 am to AlwysATgr
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I don't have the time/capability to see what/if we changed anything on their last possessions of each half
Yea, I don't have the football knowledge to recognize this either. I do remember seeing our safeties playing 20 yards off the LOS on the first play of Bama's last drive from the stands, and thinking to myself that we were going into our "3rd and Chavis" mode again. And I know that Saban said in his postgame that they saw a tendency in LSU's defense at the end of the half/game that they thought they could exploit, so there must be something there. Hopefully, Chief realizes it's been exposed now and fixes it.
Posted on 11/8/12 at 12:23 pm to medtiger
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I agree. I never said what we did was any good. I simply said it wasn't a "prevent" defense. It wasn't. It sucked arse and no one will ever know why we went soft on the drive.
went soft is a little deceiving only because there were 5 plays on that drive. we actually blitzed on the first and last play.
after giving up 18 on the first play, the tigers started to play coverage hoping they would get enough pressure from a straight up front and coveragewould hold. that worked even less because if you drop back you shouldn't give the sideline but bama went for anothre 15 yds (blame micah eugene there)
the next play was also soft coverage and they got another 11.
AJ threw incomplete on soft coverage the next play.
chavis chose the next play to go blitz and i had no problem with the call it's just that bama made the right call against it. screen = TD.
you play soft coverage hoping your secondary can stay in position. they didn't. they didn't get beat deep either but bama didn't need the deep ball.
credit bama's O line and mccarron on the drive. they made plays, LSU's D didn't. but to say we went soft the whole time isn't accurate.
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McCarron pass complete to Norwood for 18 yards to the UA46, 1ST DOWN UA (Jalen Collins;Craig Loston).
Ua 1-10 at Ua46 McCarron pass complete to Norwood for 15 yards to the LS39, 1ST DOWN UA, out-of-bounds.
1:18 remaining
Ua 1-10 at Ls39 McCarron pass complete to Norwood for 11 yards to the LS28, 1ST DOWN UA, out-of-bounds.
1:11 remaining
Ua 1-10 at Ls28 McCarron pass incomplete to Norwood.
1:00 remaining
Ua 2-10 at Ls28 McCarron pass complete to Yeldon for 28 yards to the LS0, 1ST DOWN UA, TOUCHDOWN, clock 00:51.
Shelley kick attempt good.
the box score should beg the question of who was guarding Norwood on those plays...
This post was edited on 11/8/12 at 12:26 pm
Posted on 11/8/12 at 12:26 pm to TDTGodfather
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but to say we went soft the whole time isn't accurate.
Read the rest of my posts besides that. I clearly stated that we blitzed 5 guys on multiple plays in the drive. The coverage on the plays where they hit big gians early in the drive was very soft. Soft coverage does not mean that we did not blitz. We blitzed 5 players on the very first play of the drive, but the coverage in the secondary was still soft.
Posted on 11/8/12 at 12:28 pm to TDTGodfather
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the box score should beg the question of who was guarding Norwood on those plays...
either Mills or Martin from memory
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chavis chose the next play to go blitz and i had no problem with the call it's just that bama made the right call against it. screen = TD.
I read as well that the secondary checked out of it except Mills (I think, he wasn't named) did not hear it and went on the blitz
Posted on 11/8/12 at 12:35 pm to PurpleAndGold86
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Read the rest of my posts besides that. I clearly stated that we blitzed 5 guys on multiple plays in the drive. The coverage on the plays where they hit big gians early in the drive was very soft. Soft coverage does not mean that we did not blitz. We blitzed 5 players on the very first play of the drive, but the coverage in the secondary was still soft.
no i know, i wasn't calling you out or anything. there's definitely a semantics thing going on in this thread and i was just replying to the notion people have that we never blitzed.
no doubt the players never went press coverage but that's an old chavis trait he'll never let go of which is "it's better to die in a fire than get beat deep"
unfortunately the college game has allowances in it to let a team chip away and still get down the field (clock stopping after 1sts)
end of the 1st half we didn't help ourselves with PI penalty. but they were marching. both TD's at the end of both halves were just good calls. coverage was solid on AJ's run but no one there to cover if he ran it. so he did. it's not like the dude is mike vick normally.
Posted on 11/8/12 at 12:36 pm to TDTGodfather
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no doubt the players never went press coverage
Whyyyy??
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Posted on 11/8/12 at 12:41 pm to PurpleAndGold86
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Whyyyy
i answered in the same sentence.
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but that's an old chavis trait he'll never let go of which is "it's better to die in a fire than get beat deep"
Posted on 11/8/12 at 12:43 pm to TDTGodfather
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i answered in the same sentence.
I know I know
Thinking about it makes me want to jump out of the window in my office. Not really, but its frustrating nonetheless.
Posted on 11/8/12 at 1:02 pm to PurpleAndGold86
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Thinking about it makes me want to jump out of the window in my office. Not really, but its frustrating nonetheless.
i'd advise against that and for starting to drink heavily.
Posted on 11/8/12 at 2:22 pm to DrEdgeLSU
This is why we desperatly need to have a 2 possesion lead in 4th quarter! Look at 2010 Bama game, we were ahead 24-14 in 4th and won 24-21, only cause we had 2 score lead and got a big 3rd down conversion
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