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re: Educate me on rules
Posted on 11/10/25 at 1:27 pm to OceanMan
Posted on 11/10/25 at 1:27 pm to OceanMan
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But there is a practical gap between where they marked him and where he “signals” he is sliding.
What is a "practical gap"?
Just watch the replay. Slow it down on youtube to 0.25 speed. You can see him start his slide just before the yellow line.
This post was edited on 11/10/25 at 1:30 pm
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Posted on 11/10/25 at 1:29 pm to OceanMan
I agree, backs dip their hips all the time.
The officials thought he was well down the field when he slid. The RFP went slow no to ascertain when the slid began so they could help Bama. I really believe that based on what I saw.
The officials thought he was well down the field when he slid. The RFP went slow no to ascertain when the slid began so they could help Bama. I really believe that based on what I saw.
Posted on 11/10/25 at 1:30 pm to OceanMan
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It’s not just this LSU game. Over the past few years they seem to have abandoned the core principle that the call on the field has to matter, and that football was not a game created to be played under a microscope. It’s out of hand and making the game not very fun to watch. As a fan, these reviews can be subjective and arbitrary against your team, which makes the decision on whether they are “correct” or not fairly inconsequential, if they don’t always make sure they are correct.
This.
It took 32 minutes to play the last two minutes of the first half of the Georgia-Auburn game. Just completely unwatchable.
GEAUX TIGERS!
Posted on 11/10/25 at 2:20 pm to OceanMan
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Any language in that rule is supposed to benefit the runner. If a bama player was right there on the same play and tried to stop him for the first, it wouldn’t have really been possible to call it a late hit.
This bothers me as well. I said the same thing yesterday - if that’s how the refs are going to call it, then every QB should slide late to rack up the 15 yard fouls. But in reality that’s not how they call it (nor is it how they called it in the field Saturday) because that would be silly.
To me the controversy isn’t about the fact that the ball is dead when he starts his slide.. it’s the fact that the replay official is nitpicking a judgement call based on frame-by-frame replay, over 1/2 a yard, when the guy wasn’t getting touched regardless, after not even looking at the two critical Alabama catches earlier in the game.
Posted on 11/10/25 at 3:09 pm to lostinbr
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This bothers me as well. I said the same thing yesterday - if that’s how the refs are going to call it, then every QB should slide late to rack up the 15 yard fouls.
Isn't this what Mahomes is doing in the NFL while they are rigging games for KC? Seems like I remember seeing a few replays from the playoffs last year where he did this several times, to the point even the announcers said it was lame.
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t’s the fact that the replay official is nitpicking a judgement call based on frame-by-frame replay, over 1/2 a yard, when the guy wasn’t getting touched regardless, after not even looking at the two critical Alabama catches earlier in the game.
This is the part that should really open everyone's eyes, unless you are true believer. Now Bama's coaching staff doesn't need to even waste time challenging a play. The alum in the Bham office will just stop a game on their behalf to alter the outcome. It is blatant and is insulting to you intelligence (if you possess any).
Posted on 11/10/25 at 3:13 pm to lostinbr
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To me the controversy isn’t about the fact that the ball is dead when he starts his slide.. it’s the fact that the replay official is nitpicking a judgement call based on frame-by-frame replay, over 1/2 a yard, when the guy wasn’t getting touched regardless, after not even looking at the two critical Alabama catches earlier in the game.
Bingo. It's an absurd application of the rule.
Posted on 11/10/25 at 5:28 pm to SUB
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What is a "practical gap"? Just watch the replay. Slow it down on youtube to 0.25 speed. You can see him start his slide just before the yellow line.
The gap between where they marked him and when it would be clear to the defender he is sliding and risk a late hit.
I’ve watched the replay of it. I think you are missing my entire point that the game is not played at .25x speed. The call on the field matters, and is very much part of the rules to consider in this situation.
You cannot practically call this correctly on the field if it requires slowing down.
This post was edited on 11/10/25 at 5:29 pm
Posted on 11/10/25 at 5:30 pm to Bayou
It’s a fairly new rule. Thank Kenny Pickett for faking a slide in a bowl game a few years ago. Rules committee considers it like calling for a fair catch.
Posted on 11/10/25 at 5:53 pm to KamaCausey_LSU
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The rule is quote:When a ball carrier obviously begins a feet-first slide Slowing the play down and timestamping the moment that the players hips even begin to dip is not in the spirit of the rule. If you have to slow it down to see, then it's NOT obvious. This play should not be reviewable, imo. Especially since judgement calls are not typically reviewable. But the rules have a blanket line that says. quote:As a general rule, the position of the ball in relation to the goal line is always reviewable by instant replay
I agree with all of this and I appreciate you also reading the rules. You seem to understand that all of the rules must be considered together, and it’s rare to follow these types of calls by the “letter of the law” when they weren’t written contemplating this exact situation. The most important point you make is whether or not it is OBVIOUS when something occurs. That needs to be considered before “getting the call right”, because that isn’t the criteria.
To that last part, the line to gain is always reviewable as well per the instant replay guidelines (note this is a separate publication from the NCAA). This is also where the “bottom/butt begins to drop” language comes from.
But I will note a few things per that same document:
The call on the field is assumed to be correct, and must have obvious evidence that convinces the RPO beyond reasonable doubt that it is the correct call.
There is no timeframe to review, but the expectation is 2 minutes unless it’s basically the the end of the game and changes the outcome if not correct (lol).
Lopsided games should be considered when deciding if a play warrants a challenge(meh, we were getting there).
a play is “significant” if it’s over 10 yards (notwithstanding other automatic qualifiers, which this play has).
Follow “smoke” on field for clues that something is or isn’t right (everyone on field thought it was a first down).
These things matter and are written for a reason. Cherry picking plays undermines the entire process, it is not practical to review and correct every single call. There has to be some level of margin for error to simply keep things fair.
This should not have been challenged, and I think the rules support that position.
Posted on 11/10/25 at 5:54 pm to lostinbr
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This bothers me as well. I said the same thing yesterday - if that’s how the refs are going to call it, then every QB should slide late to rack up the 15 yard fouls. But in reality that’s not how they call it (nor is it how they called it in the field Saturday) because that would be silly. To me the controversy isn’t about the fact that the ball is dead when he starts his slide.. it’s the fact that the replay official is nitpicking a judgement call based on frame-by-frame replay, over 1/2 a yard, when the guy wasn’t getting touched regardless, after not even looking at the two critical Alabama catches earlier in the game.
We are on the same page
Posted on 11/10/25 at 5:58 pm to Godfather1
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It’s a fairly new rule. Thank Kenny Pickett for faking a slide in a bowl game a few years ago. Rules committee considers it like calling for a fair catch.
It isnt new. The part that’s new is the on field official can call the play dead because you appeared to for a slide - which is not a reviewable play.
It’s actually pretty absurd to liken that situation, which abused the rule, to this play that was well within the spirit of the rule, and operated just as it was supposed to. We are making rules more complicated and less clear, that’s dumb.
Posted on 11/10/25 at 7:28 pm to OceanMan
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The gap between where they marked him and when it would be clear to the defender he is sliding and risk a late hit.
Is that the actual rule though? That seems incredibly subjective and would be impossible to pinpoint if you are implying this is something different from when he starts the motion to slide.
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I’ve watched the replay of it. I think you are missing my entire point that the game is not played at .25x speed. The call on the field matters, and is very much part of the rules to consider in this situation. You cannot practically call this correctly on the field if it requires slowing down.
The call on the field matters somewhat. How big was the gap between where they initially marked it and where they moved it back to? It was pretty substantial, wasn’t it?
This post was edited on 11/10/25 at 7:31 pm
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