re: Eating crow is never fun but I'll take mine served cold and raw now

He's comin and he aint backin down!

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It sounds to me like you have already made up your mind to give O no credit for any successes that LSU might enjoy.

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How can you say that when I literally lay out exactly what would have to happen to show that this system is a success? You may not agree with that criteria, but to suggest that there is nothing the man could do to make me happy or prove that the system works is either being willfully ignorant to what I've stated time and time again, or being disingenuous.

We are now beholden to a system that REQUIRES him to be successful as coordinators come and go. And you may say, "Well...so does every other coach!" Sure. But nearly all other coaches are an expert on one side of the ball or the other. they've moved up from being a coordinator themselves and have THEIR SYSTEM and it's what the program evolves into. they then hire coordinators that fit within that.

Orgeron is not that, and it seems that his best attribute this far is staying out of the way. So, that means that every coordinator hire is enormously important, because they nearly alone will be setting the tone for their side of the ball.

So...if THIS STAFF on hand eventually wins as much or more than the previous one, that's Goal #1 accomplished. Goal #2 will be to be able to replace one or both coordinators as they eventually leave as all good coordinators do with someone just as good and replicate the same level of success again. NOOOOOOOOOOOOOT so that I can claim it's all the coordinator's doing, but because other than ending all communications with "Geaux Tigahs" his one duty seems to be hiring quality coordinators and getting the frick out of their way. As stupid as a skill set as that sounds, if he actually DOES IT, I'll give him full credit for having done the job for which he was hired. So far, Canada is a solid hire...

Again...you and other may not agree with my criteria for declaring this little experiment of our successful, but would you guys at least stop pretending that there is nothing that could possibly happen that would satisfy me and others?

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I'd like to know what his signature win is. Auburn?

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you mean #10 Auburn?

Come on man......

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Foster Moreau & Russell gage lol

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lay off the high school recruiting sites. Just because they weren't 5 stars on 247 doesn't mean they haven't been really good for us. Russell Gage especially has major potential.

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He's comin and he aint backin down!

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better hope and pray that we can beat bama one day

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considering this year's team is probably the least talented team we've had in 15 years.

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say what?!?!?

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How can you say that when I literally lay out exactly what would have to happen to show that this system is a success? You may not agree with that criteria, but to suggest that there is nothing the man could do to make me happy or prove that the system works is either being willfully ignorant to what I've stated time and time again, or being disingenuous.

We are now beholden to a system that REQUIRES him to be successful as coordinators come and go. And you may say, "Well...so does every other coach!" Sure. But nearly all other coaches are an expert on one side of the ball or the other. they've moved up from being a coordinator themselves and have THEIR SYSTEM and it's what the program evolves into. they then hire coordinators that fit within that.

Orgeron is not that, and it seems that his best attribute this far is staying out of the way. So, that means that every coordinator hire is enormously important, because they nearly alone will be setting the tone for their side of the ball.

So...if THIS STAFF on hand eventually wins as much or more than the previous one, that's Goal #1 accomplished. Goal #2 will be to be able to replace one or both coordinators as they eventually leave as all good coordinators do with someone just as good and replicate the same level of success again. NOOOOOOOOOOOOOT so that I can claim it's all the coordinator's doing, but because other than ending all communications with "Geaux Tigahs" his one duty seems to be hiring quality coordinators and getting the frick out of their way. As stupid as a skill set as that sounds, if he actually DOES IT, I'll give him full credit for having done the job for which he was hired. So far, Canada is a solid hire...

Again...you and other may not agree with my criteria for declaring this little experiment of our successful, but would you guys at least stop pretending that there is nothing that could possibly happen that would satisfy me and others?

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All super rational points.

You know what's funny about this whole coordinator talk? During Miles' tenure, he made some really questionable changes that were mostly due to public and TAF pressure. Malveto. Steele. Monken. Chavis. Stud. etc. Some had hope at the beginning, some...ehhhh not so much. Many ended poorly, even if they had a good run or two (granted, every "release" of a coach will probably end poorly).

I wonder how this will translate. People calling for Grimes not too long ago have stayed quiet. The inevitable replacement of Aranda is looming. Whatever the situation (not feud but situation) was with Canada. Strangely enough, when you dig down into Miles career. Seemingly side of the ball was relatively stable for a period while the other was chaotic as heck and he managed the ship well. How will the reflection of responsibilities - how little O actually controls in the game - translate to recognition and blame?

I have a feeling already, along with the lowering of expectations, that some of the public will be acting significantly different towards hires which is going to throw a wrench in decision making because O has, so far, showed a very clear willingness to pay attention to the last people who he should pay attention to. This is something I've worried about since the beginning and reading some comments, ugh, it's already happening.

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lay off the high school recruiting sites. Just because they weren't 5 stars on 247 doesn't mean they haven't been really good for us. Russell Gage especially has major potential.

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what has Russell Gage done catching the ball? absolutely nothing. He's dropped 3-4 EASY passes, and Moreau has too. Moreau looks great in pads and is a good blocking TE but then you see him run and that leaves a lot to be desired. Not to mention he has dropped some passes as well.

This has nothing to do with his high school ratings. Gage has been great on punt coverage and decent on the jet sweeps has not shown me anything that he can make an NFL team. Same with Moreau.

Both have been great program players, and im not shitting on them. It's just what it is at this point

How is ALABAMA a "toe to toe, eating cold, raw crow" close game?

Hurts took a knee with 1 min to go and 1st and Goal from the LSU 7 to spare the LSU Rant the REALITY of it being a 21 point loss.

ALA was not ever trailing or under pressure on the Scoreboard: 21 to 3 late in the 3rd =Total Game Control

Talent is NOT the problem and it has not been since Saban coached here. It is Coaching, QBs, and Offensive Identity. However recruiting is trending down because of these factors causing more transfers (8 WRs), early departures, and recruits going to more progressive programs.

Average Team Roster Talent last 5 yrs: #4,

2016 #3,

2017 #6

Since 2013 ALA has only lost 6 times, all to DTQBs running TEMPO/RPO Offenses: All things LSU is NOT.

After a 2 loss season in 2013 Saban processed how he was losing and changed to DTQBs/RPO/Tempo to remain relevant. He hired Kiffen.


LSU is a 3 loss team with an extremely weak SOS (#35 vs Top 5 2014-15), the weakest since pre-2000, weaker than the other 3 loss teams, and with worse losses and weaker wins.


LSU cannot even acknowledge and adapt to what Offense it takes to beat Miss State, Troy, ALA and be in a position to win the SEC..

After the State and Troy losses Orgeron was quick to blame Canada for too much shifting and time-consuming ineffective play calling.

In the ALA game Etling was reading and explaining plays like it was the first time he ever ran them...and it looked like it.

Etling has not thrown or rushed for 1 TD vs ALA in 2 years, that = the worst QB performance x2.

He says he wants to avoid the post-ALA letdown and doesn't think he has ever in his career taken a step back and after 5 yrs he is not sure how much more he can improve.


LSU is one of the slowest teams in the league, running 200 less plays than average.

LSU is attempting approximately 200 fewer passes than in 2007 under the "Wizard", ex Oregon OC Crowton.