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re: Donte Starks releases another statement
Posted on 2/7/20 at 12:53 pm to RobbBobb
Posted on 2/7/20 at 12:53 pm to RobbBobb
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Forget God, mankind could stop all these bad things from happening. But they don't. Because it means we would be locked away all our lives, with no social interaction. And that's exactly why God created the Earth. For us to enjoy. Together. And the entity that is responsible for your life doesn't stop the bad things from happening, because he has to have a record judge people on
However, there is a place like you think the Earth should be. But he doesn't want idiots you and your grandpa there, to frick it up for the rest of us
And you thought you had said something profound on the Interwebz today. Lulz
Robb, I mean this in love, but this is not a proper response if you are trying to relay your Christian Message out in posts on this board. show some kindness bra.
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Posted on 2/7/20 at 1:03 pm to treysnaves
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treysnaves
I don't think everyone else wants to continue this on here, but if your interested in continuing this convo, email me @ serinitynow109@yahoo.com cause i love discussing this kind of thing with others.
Posted on 2/7/20 at 1:07 pm to RobbBobb
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God is a lonely and jealous entity
That's an absolutely ridiculous anthropomorphization of the Creator of the Universe. Jealousy is a sin of Man, not of God. Loneliness is an emotion of a biological being, not of a trans-dimensional entity capable of creating universes. You've reduced God to an only child who just got a bag of sea-monkeys.
Posted on 2/7/20 at 1:07 pm to 1723lale
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I don't think everyone else wants to continue this on here, but if your interested in continuing this convo, email me @ serinitynow109@yahoo.com cause i love discussing this kind of thing with others.
You should check out Matt Dillahunty on YouTube
Posted on 2/7/20 at 2:41 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
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That's an absolutely ridiculous anthropomorphization of the Creator of the Universe. Jealousy is a sin of Man, not of God. Loneliness is an emotion of a biological being, not of a trans-dimensional entity capable of creating universes. You've reduced God to an only child who just got a bag of sea-monkeys.
Holee frick, youre retarded. Which explains why you are an atheist
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Jealousy is a sin of Man, not of God.
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Exodus 20:5 for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;
Exodus 34:14 for the LORD, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God:
Deuteronomy 4:24 For the LORD thy God is a consuming fire, even a jealous God.
Deuteronomy 5:9 for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God
Deuteronomy 6:15 For the LORD thy God is a jealous God among you lest the anger of the LORD thy God be kindled against thee, and destroy thee from off the face of the earth.
Joshua 24:19 And Joshua said unto the people, Ye cannot serve the LORD: for he is an holy God; he is a jealous God; he will not forgive your transgressions nor your sins.
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Loneliness is an emotion of a biological being, not of a trans-dimensional entity capable of creating universes.
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Genesis 1:27 So God created man in his [own] image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
Colossians 3:10 And have put on the new [man], which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him:
Genesis 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness
Genesis 9:6 for in the image of God made he man.
Genesis 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness
1 Corinthians 11:7 man is the image and glory of God
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Genesis 2:18 And the Lord God said, It is not good that the man should be alone
Genesis 3:22 And the Lord God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us
Isaiah 43:21 This people have I formed for myself
Colossians 1:16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible: all things were created by him, and for him
Revelation 4:11 Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created.
Posted on 2/7/20 at 3:25 pm to Yewkindewit
Did you say yutes?
Posted on 2/7/20 at 3:27 pm to J2thaROC
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That’s a lovely story but the fact remains that you or anyone else have yet to demonstrate that a god exists. Religion (all of them, not just Christianity) has failed to meet its burden of proof
Burden of proof? No, friend, the burden is on you to explain our very existence, in such an otherwise volatile universe. The odds of having all of the perfect conditions that must be in place, in just the right balance, for life to even have a chance to happen, much less be sustained, would be like winning the lottery millions of times over. Unless you have a Creator.
Computers don't make themselves. And computers are not even remotely as complex as the Earth, or the human body. But your alternative theory would have us believe that this all happened by chance. That is the opposite of science.
Then there are countless miraculous things that have happened to people, which doctors, themselves, have witnessed and said it was a medical impossibility for it to happen. But when these stories are reported, folks like yourself reject it as either being fake or, again, just a random, fluky thing.
When you are not willing to accept the proof that is all around you, there is never going to be enough proof to satisfy the "burden" you place on God's existence.
This post was edited on 2/7/20 at 3:35 pm
Posted on 2/7/20 at 3:43 pm to Metaloctopus
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No, friend, the burden is on you to explain our very existence, in such an otherwise volatile universe. The odds of all of the perfect conditions that must be in place, in just the right balance, for live to even have a chance to happen, much less be sustained, would be like winning the lottery millions of times over. Unless you have a Creator. Computers don't make themselves. And computers are not even remotely as complex as the Earth, or the human body. But your alternative theory would have us believe that this all happened by chance. That is the opposite of science. Then there are countless miraculous things that have happened to people, who doctors, themselves, have witnessed and said it was a medical impossibility for it to happen. But when these stories are reported, folks like yourself reject it as either being fake or, again, just a random fluky thing. When you are not willing to accept the proof that is all around you, there never going to enough proof to satisfy the "burden" you place on God's existence.
No sir. You are making the positive claim(god exists). Otherwise you would also have to accept that EVERYTHING is real (because you can not definitively prove it doesn’t exist). For instance, you would have to believe that Bigfoot is real because you have not proven beyond doubt that he doesn’t exist.
Just because we do not currently have an explanation for something doesn’t mean you get to just interject an explaination as the cause without showing the demonstrable evidence to support your claim. Remember, it wasn’t that long ago that thunder and lightning were assigned to the actions of a god. We now know the ACTUAL cause for both.
How did the universe get here? The only correct answer currently is “we don’t know”. We do believe that at one point there was a singularity and everything expanded from that point in spacetime (because the current evidence we can demonstrate points to that).
No logical scientist has ever claimed that our universe came from nothing. We have no example of a “nothing” to base such a claim off of. Instead, logical scientist will tell you “we don’t know what happened prior to the Big Bang”. They do not interject an answer into that equation without evidence to support it. Right now there is no actual evidence to support a “god” existing.
Posted on 2/7/20 at 4:00 pm to RobbBobb
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Holee frick, youre retarded. Which explains why you are an atheist
Except you are the one that believes in a story that was written thousands of years ago by goat herders who had no clue how the universe works and are taking it all as 100% fact (when many things it talks about can be demonstrated to be false).
For instance. Noah’s flood never happened. Evolution is an observable fact that even you can do an easy experiment with to demonstrate with fruit flies. Evolution through natural selection is the working model that accurately depicts and accounts for all speciation. Keep in mind that evolution is nothing more than the passing of genetic mutation from one generation to another. Sometimes these genetic mutation are beneficial to a species giving the individuals of that species a better quality of life in their current environment. So they are able to pass down that mutation to their offspring and (generally) have more offspring that the individuals without that mutation.
Posted on 2/7/20 at 4:23 pm to RobbBobb
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Holee frick, youre retarded. Which explains why you are an atheist
While I'm not an atheist, you're certainly no Christian.
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he is a jealous God; he will not forgive your transgressions nor your sins.
You know what else your book says about God?
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10 Then the word of the Lord came to Samuel:
11 “I regret that I have made Saul king, because he has turned away from me and has not carried out my instructions.
Another childish anthropomorphization. God is beyond space and time, God knows Saul doesn't carry out his instructions at the time of Creation. But yet he didn't seem to know at the time he made Saul king?
Why do Christians sell God so short all the time? They act like he's all-powerful, and then tell fairy tales about the times that he's not. I just don't think Christians fully realize what kind of an entity it takes to be beyond space-time and create the universe. That's not just some petty biological being, it is an entity beyond our understanding.
Jesus was pretty spot on (Matthew 22:36-40), it's all the buillshit that came after he died that's fricked Christianity beyond redemption.
Posted on 2/7/20 at 4:28 pm to GeauxCali
You can sniff a liberal out from 1,000 miles away.
Posted on 2/7/20 at 4:28 pm to tigerskin
Jeebus Kripes that kid needs an English tutor.
Posted on 2/7/20 at 4:31 pm to J2thaROC
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No sir. You are making the positive claim(god exists). Otherwise you would also have to accept that EVERYTHING is real (because you can not definitively prove it doesn’t exist). For instance, you would have to believe that Bigfoot is real because you have not proven beyond doubt that he doesn’t exist.
Just because we do not currently have an explanation for something doesn’t mean you get to just interject an explaination as the cause without showing the demonstrable evidence to support your claim. Remember, it wasn’t that long ago that thunder and lightning were assigned to the actions of a god. We now know the ACTUAL cause for both.
How did the universe get here? The only correct answer currently is “we don’t know”. We do believe that at one point there was a singularity and everything expanded from that point in spacetime (because the current evidence we can demonstrate points to that).
No logical scientist has ever claimed that our universe came from nothing. We have no example of a “nothing” to base such a claim off of. Instead, logical scientist will tell you “we don’t know what happened prior to the Big Bang”. They do not interject an answer into that equation without evidence to support it. Right now there is no actual evidence to support a “god” existing.
I believe God exists, and therefore I make that claim, yes. Just as evolutionists "believe" in their theory and make their claims. But their so-called "science" is pseudo science. They start from the conclusion that there cannot be a God, and then they run as many different tests, with wildly varying results, as they have to until they settle on something that they feel supports their theory. Again, this isn't the scientific method. You start with a hypothesis, and you test it. If your hypothesis is proven wrong, you move on to the next one. The idea is to eliminate all possible theories until you have arrived at the most LOGICAL conclusion.
What does logic tell us? That we do not have any instance in known physics that can show how order can come from chaos (such as an explosion). You don't take a bunch of rocks and various elements, and throw them into a pot and meld them together, then blow them up and watch them turn into ANYTHING other than a charred pile of rubble. But science does show that order comes when it has a designer.
You say that I would have to believe in big foot. Why? What does big foot have to do with explaining our existence? There is a vast difference between saying that I believe that only God could have created life, because all other theories reject the laws of thermodynamics, physics and common sense, and saying that I believe in big foot, who has left no imprint that would leave any right-minded person to believe he exists? That is a straw man argument. Last time I checked, you never saw the "big bang", did you?
You put words in my mouth, claiming that I somehow suggested that so-called scientists believe the universe came from nothing. That isn't what I said. I said computers don't make themselves. We know the elements are there for them to exist, but they still don't make themselves, do they? Of course, we ALL must recognize that SOMETHING had to always exist. And that doesn't make any sense, does it? Yet, common sense tells us it must have been so, because something cannot come from nothing, right? Of course it can't.
Which leads me to the next point. We all must accept our existence on faith. We didn't witness what happened to bring us here. But we don't question our existence, do we? So what makes random particles exploding and creating EVERYTHING more plausible than God always existing and creating everything? The difference between a Christian, and an atheist/evolutionist is that we Christians admit that we have a FAITH, while evolutionists call their theory "science". No... what they believe is every bit as much of a faith as Christianity is. But with God, you have a designer. With evolution, you have chaos and endless violations of science being thrown into a blender to make a theory to reject God.
You like to say how Christians "interject" things into the discussion. But what do you call evolution, if not one massive interjection of "facts"? "We believe there was a massive explosion" (they didn't see it) "and this explosion caused a great expanse that went on for billions of years" (they didn't witness it) "and I can prove this theory by showing that this rock is billions of years old" (they 'prove' this by assuming the age of the rock and then running countless tests until something gives them a number they accept, even though in order to prove a theory you must be able to run NUMEROUS tests that all confirm the same result. Because most tests are entirely unreliable). They accept their theory on faith. Only their faith does not align with common sense, such as a designer. And it certainly does not make an honest effort to use the scientific method.
And these are only the basics. Someone who is far more knowledgeable than I am about Bible prophecy could show you, point by point, how the historical events have perfectly aligned with what the Bible says. And I can imagine what your response to that would be. But just remember, you can't ask for proof and then reject it on the basis of a hatred for God.
This post was edited on 2/7/20 at 6:34 pm
Posted on 2/7/20 at 4:36 pm to tigerskin
God that was embarrassing to read. Why wouldn’t he get somebody to proof read that shite?
Posted on 2/7/20 at 4:38 pm to J2thaROC
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Sometimes these genetic mutation are beneficial to a species giving the individuals of that species a better quality of life in their current environment.
Why are monkeys choosing to stay as monkeys and not evolve into humans?
Posted on 2/7/20 at 6:28 pm to Metaloctopus
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believe God exists, and therefore I make that claim, yes. Just as evolutionists "believe" in their theory and make their claims. But their so-called "science" is pseudo science. They start from the conclusion that there cannot be a God, and then they run as many different tests, with wildly varying results, as they have to until they settle on something that they feel supports their theory. Again, this isn't the scientific method. You start with a hypothesis, and you test it. If your hypothesis is proven wrong, you move on to the next one. The idea is to eliminate all possible theories until you have arrived at the most LOGICAL conclusion. What does logic tell us? That we do not have any instance in known physics that can show how order can come from chaos (such as an explosion). You don't take a bunch of rocks and various elements, and throw them into a pot and meld them together, then blow them up and watch them turn into ANYTHING other than a charred pile of rubble. But science does show that order comes when it has a designer. You say that I would have to believe in big foot. Why? What does big foot have to do with explaining our existence? There is a vast difference between saying that I believe that only God could have created life, because all other theories reject the laws of thermodynamics, physics and common sense, and saying that I believe in big foot, who has left no imprint that would leave any right-minded person to believe he exists? That is a straw man argument. Last time I checked, you never saw the "big bang", did you? You put words in my mouth, claiming that I somehow suggested that so-called scientists believe the universe came from nothing. That isn't what I said. I said computers don't make themselves. We know the elements are there for them to exist, but they still don't make themselves, do they? Of course, we ALL must recognize that SOMETHING had to always exist. And that doesn't make any sense, does it? Yet, common sense tells us it must have been so, because something cannot come from nothing, right? Of course it can't. Which leads me to the next point. We all must accept our existence on faith. We didn't witness what happened to bring us here. But we don't question our existence, do we? So what makes random particles exploding and creating EVERYTHING more plausible than God always existing and creating everything? The difference between a Christian, and an atheist/evolutionist is that we Christians admit that we have a FAITH, while evolutionists call their theory "science". No... what they believe is every bit as much of a faith as Christianity is. But with God, you have a designer. With evolution, you have chaos and endless violations of science being thrown into a blender to make a theory to reject God. You like to say how Christians "interject" things into the discussion. But what do you call evolution, if not one massive interjection of "facts"? "We believe there was a massive explosion" (they didn't see it) "and this explosion caused a great expanse that went on for billions of years" (they didn't witness it) "and I can prove this theory by showing that this rock is billions of years old" (they 'prove' this by assuming the age of the rock and then running countless tests until something gives them a number they accept, even though in order to prove a theory you must be able to run NUMEROUS tests that all confirm the same result. Because most tests are entirely unreliable). They accept their theory on faith. Only their faith does not align with common sense, such as a designer. And it certainly does not make an honest effort to use the scientific method. And these are only the basics. Someone who is far more knowledgeable than I am about Bible prophecy could show you, point by point, how the historical events have perfectly aligned with what the Bible says. And I can imagine what your response to that would be. But just remember, you can't ask for a burden of proof and then reject it on the basis of a hatred for God.
Except no scientist ever claimed “god doesn’t exist” and then worked backwards. That’s not how science works. In fact, most early scientist were in fact Christians and were in fact trying to prove god through their experimentations. What they discovered was the exact opposite.
Science starts with a hypothesis. It then proceeds to testing and experimentation to see if the hypothesis is correct. If the data shows that the hypothesis is correct, the work is submitted for peer review where it is examined and RETESTED BY OTHERS to see if they come to the same conclusion. If after many peer reviews, the hypothesis stands based on the evidence gathered through demonstration and testing, the hypothesis becomes a theory. A theory is a working model that best describes what we observe and demonstrate through testing. Itisin no way set in stone and is often changed as new testing methods and new data becomes available.
Your gross ignorance of science and scientist is shocking. No real scientist cares what the the conclusion of an experiment is. They only care about the truth. If science one day leads us to the conclusion that there is a god, it will be accepted by the scientific community as a whole. There is no “conspiracy against god” in science. They are not working to disprove god in any way. They are simply trying to understand the universe in which we live. They are in search of the actual “how and why” instead of being ok with the simple answer of “god did it”.
There is no imprint of a “god” in the universe. I’m sorry you don’t want to hear that but nothing in this universe suggest a god. There is no order to the universe. In fact, it’s extremely chaotic and random. Even if there was order, that does not automatically mean there is a designer, regardless of complexity. That is called the watchmaker fallacy. (Look into it. It’s been proven fallacious time and time again “pun intended”)
What makes the Big Bang more plausible that a god is that we can show experimentation and data that points to it being true. There is no experiment that we can do to prove god. So I ask you then, if you say it MUST have been created. What makes “god” a more plausible answer than say, some other advanced beings from another universe? At least there is some data that suggests that other universes are possible. There is zero data that points to a god (again, you do t get to insert “god” in place of “we don’t know” because that’s an argument from ignorance fallacy).
Not a single credible scientist believes humans came from rocks. The current best model is abiogenesis. Abiogenesis is the theory that at some point molecules paired together (as they tend to do in nature) and formed a string of RNA. RNA is by its very nature, self replicating (this has been tested in laboratories many times). At some point a mutation occurred in that RNA and it became DNA.
Posted on 2/7/20 at 6:34 pm to MONROE
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Why are monkeys choosing to stay as monkeys and not evolve into humans?
You can’t “choose evolution”. This statement tells me that you know nothing about the theory of evolution and how it works.
Monkeys did not “evolve into humans”. We share a common ancestor. Meaning at some point there were two split groups (there were far more than that but we will use two for now to make it easier). Those groups went down two completely different paths and went through many many more changes through mutation to become the species we call monkeys and humans today. We are still both part of the original sub grouping of the common ancestor, just as we are still part of the great apes family.
At no point has a cat ever given birth to a dog. That’s not how evolution works.
Posted on 2/7/20 at 6:39 pm to Metaloctopus
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God IS in control, in that there is nothing that happens unless He allows it. People get angry with the very God whom they claim doesn't exist, because He doesn't stop them from doing evil things, or just dumb things.
Isn't that convenient for folks to do? You shake your fist at the very idea of God, but then you expect Him to live your life for you? He didn't put us here to be pawns in some cosmic game of chess. He only intervenes when we ask Him to help us, and then He will only do what He knows is best for us in the long run. Our minds are finite and cannot comprehend the foresight of Almighty God.
Understand this, my friend. God did not bring sin into this world. We did. And there is a price to be paid for that, otherwise He would not be a just God. But our suffering on Earth need only be temporary. If God hated us, we'd already be dead, with no hope for salvation. And we'd be deserving of such a fate. But He sent His Son to die for us, so that our sins could be forgiven and washed away, and we can live an eternal life with Him.
If you only see your eternity as the tiny blip on the radar that is your natural life, then you will miss out on everything that God has prepared for you, and you'll find that your existence after death is far worse than anything you could ever imagine. That does not have to happen to you. But it's your choice, and God will not make it for you. I pray you make the right choice.
Again, show me why your "all loving and powerful" God allows innocent children to suffer from cancer among many other things. I hope he exists and one day I can tell him what a dick he is.
Posted on 2/8/20 at 9:15 am to tigerskin
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tigerskin
Donte Starks releases another statement
He will bounce back and grow from this
Hope so
Posted on 2/8/20 at 6:30 pm to Geauxlden Eagle
Yes, yutes your honor...... 
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