re: Don't hate on Jordan Jefferson

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esp when there are freshmen who are starting for other schiools and performing much better and much more consistantly.

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Can you list them for me please?

The biggest prob i have with the jj haters is that they are just another group of dumb asses trying to put sole blame on one person. When LSU lost it was a team effort, when they won it was a team effort. The whole team from les miles down to the fricking water boy.

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You mean same group that blames JL for 08?

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why can't we all just get along? Can we at least agree that it took both of them to get us to an 11-2 record last season. JL made a couple of key plays that helped win a couple of games we could have easily lost. Without Lee, we may have been 9-4. Without Jefferson we probably don't break .500 on the season. With both we went 11-2. With the way Jefferson was playing at the end of last season, the addition of Mett, and more improvement in Lee, I think the QB position will be in capable hands come September.

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Let me guess. You are one of the JJ apologists that kept saying "he's only a sophomore, he's only 19, he's blah, blah, blah (insert your favorite excuse for why he sucked up the field)".

He has stunk except for those few games when he has had extra time to prepare, and/or more importantly, when he was playing against a team not from the SEC. And don't tell me how hard he's worked (unless you have first-hand knowledge), and as for singing his praises as a person, I have seen a pouty, petulant, finger pointing player that does not display the demeanor one would want to see from the team's supposed leader.

I don't hate him, I try not to hate anyone, I just wish Les Miles love affair with him would end and we would upgrade the position to where we can get our passing offense out of the triple digit ranking he has carried us to. Twice.

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Both are equally flawed in different aspects of their games.

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Go back and give Lee the same opportunity as JJ. What would the record be.

The pick 6's. Where were the other 10 players that let the other team run the ball back for a td? Where were the coaches preparing the team to look for such? Where were the receivers that did not run the right route? Did we ever hear about that or was it all on Lee? I agree with what u said.........

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but he also seems to panic and make poor decisions

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an issue that Jefferson has, the difference is Lee would force a throw and sometimes it worked and sometimes it didn't.... last year however, you could notice when Lee felt rushed he tried checking down or heaved the ball out of bounds. Even if he had time to stick in pocket a second or two longer and actually do something he would force it. Jefferson would tuck it and try and run or make an ill advised throw at someones ankles.

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in interceptions whereas JJ is more likely to take a sack

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Was not true last year, Jefferson took 18 sacks and had 10 interceptions. Not as many as Lee in 08 but you are comparing Jefferson 2010 to Lee in 2008 when Lee is a different player than he was in 08. As I addressed earlier he did not force as many bad passes resulting in interceptions.

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JJ's scrambling ability is really helpful in the college game

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I disagree with this as well. While his feet helped LSU in some areas it hurt LSU in others. Plenty of times he could have sat in pocket and attempted a pass only to take off and get 0 gain or 1 yard gain. Sometimes those things resulted in him taking long sacks as well.

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Lee doesn't have that ability

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All he has to do is prove to be effective at stepping up and avoiding the sack. Not every college QB has to be Newton. Jefferson is more a Chris Leak runner where he is a Pro-Style QB first and runs out of instinct or a designed play. Yet so many think he is a run first QB which he is not.

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If Kragthorpe can play to JJ's strengths

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Or Mett.... Or Lee

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The problem I had last year was Crowton expecting JJ to throw tight over the middle and short bubble screens,

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JJ had no problem completing the short screen passes and quick slants in 09 when he completed 60% of his passes. Last year Crowton tried to open up the offense and dictate more down field passing and Jefferson did struggle. The offense was reeled in more towards the end of the year where they looked more like the 09 version with a better defense/running game.

If the OC can coordinate a game plan to fit any QB's strengths then the QB will succeed especially when he has the play makers around him an LSU QB will.

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tduecen

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It turns out we fundamentally disagree on pretty much every single point and neither one will convince the other

I guess I've seen Lee play for a year, and I've seen JJ play for a year, and while I understand both may have different aspects to their game, I feel that JJ has a higher ceiling and can bring more to the table overall. It's just a question of if he'll be able to tap into that.

Obviously I'm not discussing Mettenberger in this. I have no idea what he can do besides playing well in community college and being a hihgly touted recruit. He may very well be an incredibly talented QB. I just don't think he'll be able to jump into a new system and yank the job from either of the seniors.

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but he also seems to panic and make poor decisions


an issue that Jefferson has, the difference is Lee would force a throw and sometimes it worked and sometimes it didn't.... last year however, you could notice when Lee felt rushed he tried checking down or heaved the ball out of bounds. Even if he had time to stick in pocket a second or two longer and actually do something he would force it. Jefferson would tuck it and try and run or make an ill advised throw at someones ankles.


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in interceptions whereas JJ is more likely to take a sack


Was not true last year, Jefferson took 18 sacks and had 10 interceptions. Not as many as Lee in 08 but you are comparing Jefferson 2010 to Lee in 2008 when Lee is a different player than he was in 08. As I addressed earlier he did not force as many bad passes resulting in interceptions.


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JJ's scrambling ability is really helpful in the college game


I disagree with this as well. While his feet helped LSU in some areas it hurt LSU in others. Plenty of times he could have sat in pocket and attempted a pass only to take off and get 0 gain or 1 yard gain. Sometimes those things resulted in him taking long sacks as well.


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Lee doesn't have that ability


All he has to do is prove to be effective at stepping up and avoiding the sack. Not every college QB has to be Newton. Jefferson is more a Chris Leak runner where he is a Pro-Style QB first and runs out of instinct or a designed play. Yet so many think he is a run first QB which he is not.


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If Kragthorpe can play to JJ's strengths


Or Mett.... Or Lee


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The problem I had last year was Crowton expecting JJ to throw tight over the middle and short bubble screens,


JJ had no problem completing the short screen passes and quick slants in 09 when he completed 60% of his passes. Last year Crowton tried to open up the offense and dictate more down field passing and Jefferson did struggle. The offense was reeled in more towards the end of the year where they looked more like the 09 version with a better defense/running game.

If the OC can coordinate a game plan to fit any QB's strengths then the QB will succeed especially when he has the play makers around him an LSU QB will.

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pretty good writing there...

Jj will never be a good QB nor will jl so just get over it they both suck!!! Now unless the new OC can conjure up some magic or make miracles I dont see either being close to an sec QB nor a nfl QB!!

When a QB has SEVEN TD's and SEVEN INT's on an ENTIRE season there's not much to expect.