re: Does Poche' have the stuff at the MLB level??

I love the Glavine comp. Using a hall of famer as a comp is always the best place to start.

Slow lefty= Glavine.

slow righty= Maddux.

All ignoring the valid points you brought up about actual velos.

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slow righty= Maddux.

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There has somehow grown this myth that Maddox threw mid 80s his entire career. Blatantly false. When he has winning Cy Youngs--when he was one of the best 5-6 pitchers in baseball history--he was living at 92/93 and could bump it up to 94/95'if he had to. All the while having some of the the best in/out movement of any pitcher ever. His velocity helped create his sick movement. He went on and pitched his way to 15 win seasons the last 7-8"years of his career throwing 85/86 because he was just so fricking smart and crafty. But he was doing that as a 4th starter with upper 3/lower 4'ERAs.

There is this lie that people have decided to tell themselves that velocity doesn't matter, it's only about hitting your spots. While you can't throw 100 down the shitter--I don't have to tell you those dudes in the bigs are really really good and will eventually turn that shite around with the quickness--you also can't toss 82 anywhere--no matter how well you locate it--or that shits getting launched 500 ft. Located velocity matters because, due to physics, a faster pitch is capable of more movement.

you get it

a guy throwing 95+ can make a few mistakes a game and get away with them.

someone throwing 85-88 can make almost none. It's why they're so rare (unless they throw in an incredibly deceptive way).

Every single day the game becomes more velo driven because pure numbers bear it out. Every number above 91 coincides with a drop in ERA. The pure stuff at the big league level is just getting to a ridiculous place now. I have no idea how hitters can keep their heads above water.

I think he'll be a guy who makes it to the bigs quickly but never is a chance young type guy. He's very solid and is who he's going to be so a team will bring him up to either be a 4/5 starter or a bulllpen guy. He can just pitch

There is also the possibility that he gains some velocity over time as well. It would certainly help if he could live in the low 90s.

It's a different style, but Gausman has added a few mph that we didn't see consistently at LSU. I've watched MLB games where Gausman was consistently 97-98mph where my guess for him at LSU would be around 94-96.

He's on fire this year. He pretty much proved he belonged.

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He doesn't have the stuff to hang with the pros sadly. He is a good call up starter for Septembers, take that as you will. But he's at best a 4 or 5 guy.

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heceitger has it or not

Your scenario would mean he is a MLB pitcher

Hendricks with the Cubs probably couldn't break through wet toilet paper with his fastball, but he has a devastating change that he can break in couple of different directions.

Kids are brought up thinking they have to throw 97 to make the bigs, but if you can master a good change you can make all these juicers jacked to catch up with heat look silly.

Not sure how good of a change Poche has?

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pardon?

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Both guys max out at around 92mph. Poche may be off by 1mph, but I've zeen him hit 91 before.

Pettitte had a devastating cutter. Glavine had a circle change. Poche doesnt have a plus pitch anywhere across the board


btw Poche turns 23 this year. Glavine was pitching in the big at 21 and Pettitte at 23. We are talking a different class of talent