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re: Does Poche' have the stuff at the MLB level??
Posted on 3/4/17 at 7:50 pm to Hold That Tiger 10
Posted on 3/4/17 at 7:50 pm to Hold That Tiger 10
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The dude asked a question and I answered with my honest opinion. I could be wrong, and I hope I am. I just don't see his stuff translating well onto the majors. Obviously the padres, and plenty of other MLB teams didn't either, or he wouldn't be at LSU right now.
If OP would have asked if I felt he could lead us to a great run in Omaha, my answer would have been HELL YES. I'm not knocking the guy at all.
Your responses have been perfectly fine. Poche will leave LSU as the all-time leader in career wins, and he is an outstanding college pitcher. Unfortunately, I'm not sure if he'll ever climb the professional ladder and pitch in the big leagues. Those pitchers that get to that level have ungodly stuff. Very few of them make the stop at the college level.
Think about it this way, guys like Eddy Furniss and Brad Cresse, all time college baseball greats couldn't climb hardly to the AA level. It's just a different game up there.
This post was edited on 3/4/17 at 7:57 pm
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Posted on 3/4/17 at 7:56 pm to Choupique19
Good analysis very true. 
Posted on 3/4/17 at 7:57 pm to AustinKnight
I think the comparisons to Glavin are accurate, but for every Glavin there have been thousands of pitcher with similar measurables that never sniff the show. I don't think people truly comprehend how difficult it is to make it to the big leagues.
Posted on 3/4/17 at 7:59 pm to UpToPar
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hink the comparisons to Glavin are accurate,
As you said, there are thousands of lefties with average velocity, yet people want to compare him to a HOF'er; lol
Posted on 3/4/17 at 8:56 pm to Geauxhomegumps
Absolutely. You don't have to have a 95 mph fastball to pitch in the pros. He's got 4-5 pitches he throws with the accurate and makes batters look plum stupid some time.
Posted on 3/4/17 at 8:57 pm to J Murdah
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MLB scout here...He has the potential.
Nah.
Posted on 3/4/17 at 8:58 pm to lsutigersFTW
He's got all the stuff the pros are looking for in a middle reliever. He throws 4-5 different pitches accurately. What are you talking about?
Posted on 3/4/17 at 9:17 pm to Ltown_tiger
What 5 pitches does he throw?
Posted on 3/4/17 at 9:19 pm to Lester Earl
I'm going to guess:
4-seam
2-seam
Curve
Change
Slider
4-seam
2-seam
Curve
Change
Slider
Posted on 3/4/17 at 10:21 pm to Choupique19
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Think about it this way, guys like Eddy Furniss and Brad Cresse, all time college baseball greats couldn't climb hardly to the AA level
Yep. I have a friend, who posts here occasionally, who uses those two along with Blake Dean as examples of how amazing you have to be to make a major league roster. These three guys are all-time LSU greats and they never got close to making a MLB club.
As he says, the worst player on the worst team in the majors is an amazing baseball player.
It takes a lot to get there.
Posted on 3/4/17 at 10:22 pm to Geauxhomegumps
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Yes, he's got a little work to do. But he's a hell of a pitcher. Can make you look like a joke if you're not ready for him.
+1 gazillion.
Posted on 3/4/17 at 10:33 pm to UpToPar
Such as lane mestepey ...
Posted on 3/4/17 at 10:48 pm to AustinKnight
Jaime Moyer had 200+ career MLB wins and multiple 20+ win seasons with a fastball that topped out at 83 mph.
If Poche can locate his pitches and keep hitters off balance by varying speeds, pitch types and locations, he's good enough to be an MLB pitcher. Velocity helps, but precision and ability to win the mental game are just as important.
If Poche can locate his pitches and keep hitters off balance by varying speeds, pitch types and locations, he's good enough to be an MLB pitcher. Velocity helps, but precision and ability to win the mental game are just as important.
Posted on 3/4/17 at 10:50 pm to lsutigersFTW
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He doesn't have the stuff to hang with the pros sadly
See above.
Posted on 3/4/17 at 11:04 pm to AustinKnight
If you are a lefty who can locate and change speeds you can make it at any level. Tom Glavine comes to mind off the top of my head. Lefty's don't need to throw 100 to be successful. I think Poche is a gamer and will make it to the show and have a great career.
Posted on 3/4/17 at 11:06 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
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I think he's gonna eat up a lot of innings as a middle reliever
that's not how this works
Posted on 3/4/17 at 11:08 pm to Tiger in NY
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He's got the same arm as Andy Pettitte basically
pardon?
Posted on 3/4/17 at 11:10 pm to UpToPar
He'll have to develop a dominant change up like Glavine
Posted on 3/4/17 at 11:13 pm to Choupique19
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Your responses have been perfectly fine. Poche will leave LSU as the all-time leader in career wins, and he is an outstanding college pitcher. Unfortunately, I'm not sure if he'll ever climb the professional ladder and pitch in the big leagues. Those pitchers that get to that level have ungodly stuff. Very few of them make the stop at the college level.
Think about it this way, guys like Eddy Furniss and Brad Cresse, all time college baseball greats couldn't climb hardly to the AA level. It's just a different game up there.
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college is a tremendously poor indicator of anything going forward. The whole game changes. Look at Michael Roth from South Carolina's college numbers and then look at Garrett Richards'.
That isn't to say that Poche has no chance because he definitely does, but if you throw under 91 and you're coming out of college your odds are looong. Fantastic competitor and every team in the league would love to have him, but they won't do so with high hopes if that makes sense.
Posted on 3/4/17 at 11:47 pm to Lakeboy7
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If you arent old enough go back and look at Tom Glavine for the Braves.
No. Just no. Glavine could bust it up in there at 91/92 if he had to. And that is MUCH different than 87/88. And Glavine had one of the best changes in history that he could throw in or out in any count. He never had to give in. 3-0? Change up on the outer black. No offense to Poche, but Tom Glavine is one of the best pitchers to ever toe the rubber. Poche doesn't have his change, his command(yet), and his velocity(and yes, 2-3 mph makes a huge difference right there).
And Poche can't afford an injury. He can absolutely pitch in the bigs and maybe even stick around a while, but he has very little room for error. There's a million 5'10" lefties that throw 87/88.
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