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re: does our offense even gameplan for other teams?

Posted on 9/25/14 at 2:21 pm to
Posted by Bert Macklin FBI
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Posted on 9/25/14 at 2:21 pm to
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It appears that CLM's philosophy has been "we do what we do and if we do it well they can't stop us." There are pros and cons to that approach.


Thats fine and dandy unless "what we do" works directly into the hands of "what they do".

lets compare this style of thinking to another sport, MMA. 2 fighters square off and both have heavy hands and can end the fight in one punch. fighter A is also a pretty solid wrestler, while fighter B has almost zero ground game. would it be in fighter A's best interest to stand toe to toe with fighter B and give him a chance to land a knock out punch or should he take it to the ground where he has the advantage even if its not exactly his strength?


Posted by lsutothetop
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Posted on 9/25/14 at 2:56 pm to
While I really didn't like the offensive gameplan Saturday, the decisions to go for two or go for it on fourth were the statistically correct calls. That wasn't why we lost
Posted by themunch
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Posted on 9/25/14 at 3:11 pm to
self execution


we be good at this.
Posted by Gray Tiger
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Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 9/25/14 at 4:11 pm to
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cuz it seems to me that our coaching staff didnt do much to put our team in a position to win.

Ok. We all appreciate the view from the bottom of the Miller Ultra Lite bottle.

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yes i realize that hindsight is 20/20 but not getting points when you are in the red zone is inexcusable.


No shite Sherock and you seem to be really good at it.

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another example of terrible coaching/gameplanning is that god forsaken fullback dive when we bring in a second tailback. it is literally the stupidest thing we do on offense. what makes it so dumb you ask? the fact that every fricking time we line up in it we run a damn fullback dive

Each and every time? You sure about that? What about the blocking is it the same also?

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the last part of my rant here is gonna be about how quickly the coaches panicked on offense and started running every trick play they could think of.

Since you are such a game plan guru how do you know the half back pass wasn't in the game plan from the start? Ask your friend he knows soooo much about football.
They didn't run the kickholder flip.
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. the half back pass was a great call

Really?? Because it worked?

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none come to my mind

How many SEC game films do you break down every week. Well you and your friend?


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the trick plays and unnecessary chances that the coaches took dont show that they have much confidence in our players.

Make up your damn mind. Is the LSU offense too predictable or too full of trick plays?

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again, im no genius



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but if you are going to be stubborn and call the same predictable play again and again then when you run a different play to catch the D offguard, there should have been a play fake to the fb. and if executing a play fake is too difficult the play should at the very least have the fb follow the same path as the fb dive so the defense will jump the gun and over commit.

Was it the same play or not? You seen confused. Does the FB get the ball every time?

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(and that is important cuz if you want him to block you should have a real fb in the game)

Wouldn't that tell the opposing defense that the TB will certainly get the ball?

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just dumb.

Don't be so hard on yourself. Wait. Go ahead you deserve it. But please post more. Irrational, ignorant rants are the meat and potatoes of a fan board.
Posted by Houston Texas Tiger
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Posted on 9/25/14 at 4:27 pm to
My main issue with the two tight end sets in the goal line is why two tight ends? Why not bring in two backup tackles is everyone know you aren't gonna throw to the Tight Ends. Get some real blockers in there. Two tight end sets works for teams who utilize their tight ends as pass options. If they aren't a catching threat then they are just below average blockers.
This post was edited on 9/25/14 at 4:31 pm
Posted by Gray Tiger
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Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 9/25/14 at 5:10 pm to
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lets compare this style of thinking to another sport, MMA. 2 fighters square off and both have heavy hands and can end the fight in one punch. fighter A is also a pretty solid wrestler, while fighter B has almost zero ground game. would it be in fighter A's best interest to stand toe to toe with fighter B and give him a chance to land a knock out punch or should he take it to the ground where he has the advantage even if its not exactly his strength?




MMA?

Damm. You ARE 13.
Posted by OFWHAP
Member since Sep 2007
5416 posts
Posted on 9/25/14 at 5:32 pm to
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We've been running the same Power-I shite for years


Please... I've never seen LSU run the Power-I in my entire life. I don't think anyone on this site knows what the Power-I is. Please stop confusing the I formation with the Power-I formation.
Posted by LouisianaLonghorn
Austin, Texas
Member since Jan 2006
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Posted on 9/25/14 at 5:36 pm to
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What's the point of game planning? We run like 7 plays total and that is the game plan.


That is what's so frustrating about hearing Miles say that the problem is the execution and not the overall scheme. Even if our offense executes perfectly, we're still way too predictable.
Posted by AlwysATgr
Member since Apr 2008
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Posted on 9/25/14 at 5:59 pm to
I think he was using that as an analogy that maybe we should have attacked State's weak area (secondary as UAB did) and not their strength (front 7).
Posted by crobe18
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Member since Jan 2011
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Posted on 9/25/14 at 6:00 pm to
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Please... I've never seen LSU run the Power-I in my entire life. I don't think anyone on this site knows what the Power-I is. Please stop confusing the I formation with the Power-I formation.


actually, the two tight ends on the line with one wide receiver is called a 22 set or 22 personnel. Problem is that when you do send your tight ends on a route and the QB stares down the receiver and doesn't look for the tight ends or HB out of the backfield, you are screwed.
This post was edited on 9/25/14 at 6:05 pm
Posted by Katy Tiger
Houston area
Member since Sep 2004
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Posted on 9/25/14 at 6:07 pm to
I think its a valid question.

However, I think a better question is why did Les think it was a good idea to change OL blocking schemes on a year when we were breaking in 2 new QBs, 4-5 new WRs, and a couple of new RBs. A stout OL was supposed to be our main strength and Dumbo has turned it into a weakness. Its not like Va Tech was any great power team against good competition over the past few years. We're worse now on the OL than last year - the one thing we could not afford to do. Idiots.

Posted by Bert Macklin FBI
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Posted on 9/25/14 at 6:17 pm to
my favorite part of your method of debate is that you bring 0 facts to the table. you just say that im wrong but you never once bring a legitimate argument about why im wrong.

and you still havent told me about the game plan that im missing.

also which friend are you referring to cuz i havent cited anybodys opinion except my own.




Posted by Tiger_n_ATL
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Posted on 9/25/14 at 6:43 pm to
Miles strategy is to give both punters the same #, now that's clever. lol
Posted by Methuselah
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Posted on 9/25/14 at 6:55 pm to
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does our offense even gameplan for other teams?

Does Bert Macklin ever start a sentence with a capital letter?

Not that I'm disagreeing with the substance of your thread though.
Posted by Bert Macklin FBI
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Posted on 9/25/14 at 8:29 pm to
just to appease you ill debunk all of the "holes" you tried to put in my ACTUAL arguments since you seem to not have any real thoughts going on in your head.

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cuz it seems to me that our coaching staff didnt do much to put our team in a position to win.

Ok. We all appreciate the view from the bottom of the Miller Ultra Lite bottle.



to start out with you make no sense cuz there is nothing wrong with the sentence you quoted. our coaches did nothing to help our players win this game. period. end of story. you show me where they made any calls or adjustments that helped us in that game.

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yes i realize that hindsight is 20/20 but not getting points when you are in the red zone is inexcusable.

No shite Sherock and you seem to be really good at it.

this isnt even an argument just a sorry flame attempt.

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another example of terrible coaching/gameplanning is that god forsaken fullback dive when we bring in a second tailback. it is literally the stupidest thing we do on offense. what makes it so dumb you ask? the fact that every fricking time we line up in it we run a damn fullback dive

Each and every time? You sure about that? What about the blocking is it the same also?

yeah because that is relevant. i have only seen us run 2 plays others than the fb dive out of this set and neither of them used a fake to the fb. why run something that only gaines a yard or two over and over if its not setting up a big play later on? also why would you run this on ANY short yardage play against a front 7 as good as MSU? they have the Dline to blow it up and blow it up they did.
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he last part of my rant here is gonna be about how quickly the coaches panicked on offense and started running every trick play they could think of.

Since you are such a game plan guru how do you know the half back pass wasn't in the game plan from the start? Ask your friend he knows soooo much about football.
They didn't run the kickholder flip.

the answer is both. they came out with the same crappy offensive sets that didnt even work against ULM and tried to run into the teeth of that MSU D. when that didnt work they panicked and started dialing up trick plays. the offense needs to find a middle ground and be more balanced between the pass and run and keep the defense off guard.
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. the half back pass was a great call

Really?? Because it worked?


no because it wasnt predictable and QUICKLY took advantage of an over aggressive defender.
idk if youve ever played football dude but once a team hits you with one trick play you spend the rest of the game looking for another one. basically another trick play wouldnt have worked no matter what it was let alone a slow developing reverse.
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none come to my mind

How many SEC game films do you break down every week. Well you and your friend?


which friend is this exactly? and no i dont breakdown film but reverses are pretty obvious even to those who dont watch football often and i dont think ive ever even seen a highlight of a reverse working. please tell me when one worked.
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he trick plays and unnecessary chances that the coaches took dont show that they have much confidence in our players.

Make up your damn mind. Is the LSU offense too predictable or too full of trick plays?


back to the we need to be more balanced. the options shouldnt be either run up the gut every play or call every trick play we have in the playbook.
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but if you are going to be stubborn and call the same predictable play again and again then when you run a different play to catch the D offguard, there should have been a play fake to the fb. and if executing a play fake is too difficult the play should at the very least have the fb follow the same path as the fb dive so the defense will jump the gun and over commit.

Was it the same play or not? You seen confused. Does the FB get the ball every time?

i dont even know what your argument is. did you watch the game? have you watched any game?
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(and that is important cuz if you want him to block you should have a real fb in the game)

Wouldn't that tell the opposing defense that the TB will certainly get the ball?

again dumb argument by you because if you want the fb to block then use a real fb. if you want to make the D think he might get the ball by bring in a tailback MAKE IT LOOK LIKE THE TAILBACK IS GONNA GET THE BALL.
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and that is important cuz if you want him to block you should have a real fb in the game)

Wouldn't that tell the opposing defense that the TB will certainly get the ball?


see above argument. if you dont use the extra tailback to freeze the defense then he does no good. if you want a blocking back then send in a blocking back.

your not very good at this argument thing.
This post was edited on 9/25/14 at 8:35 pm
Posted by Bert Macklin FBI
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Posted on 9/25/14 at 8:37 pm to
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While I really didn't like the offensive gameplan Saturday, the decisions to go for two or go for it on fourth were the statistically correct calls. That wasn't why we lost



ill agree with the 2 pt conversions but how is going for it on 4th and 2 the right call when you already had 3 tries to score and didnt.

gotta take points when you can get them.
Posted by demtigers73
Member since Aug 2014
5973 posts
Posted on 9/25/14 at 8:41 pm to
Coaches are there to get players in the correct position and LSU coaches failed miserably on both sides of the ball vs MSU! What you would call horrible coaching!
Posted by Gray Tiger
Prairieville, LA
Member since Jan 2004
36512 posts
Posted on 9/25/14 at 8:42 pm to
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our coaches did nothing to help our players win this game. period. end of story

You know this how? To say that the coaches did nothing to help the team is foolish beyond description.
Exactly how did you get access to the game plan?
Precisely how many practices have you attended?
How many times have you studied the game films?
How many game films have you ever studied?
Would you recognize an adjustment if you saw it?

You have a Madden level of football knowledge, you contradict yourself, and you compare LSU football to MMA.

Give me reason to take your "analysis" seriously.






Posted by rbdallas
Dallas, TX
Member since Nov 2007
10344 posts
Posted on 9/25/14 at 8:42 pm to
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it just seems that we never try to find the opposing teams weaknesses and exploit them. case and point is the MSU game. One week earlier, UAB throws the ball all over the field on them (not to mention it is no secret that the strength of their team is their front 7). what do we do with this info? we try to run double tight formations and run up the middle the entire game until we were down 31-10.


I have said something similar in my posts..We seem to prepare our game, but NOT prepare for their weaknesses.
Posted by Choctaw
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Member since Jul 2007
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Posted on 9/25/14 at 8:43 pm to
this board has gone full retard
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