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re: Does LSU have a men's soccer team?

Posted on 6/27/14 at 10:12 am to
Posted by spike0311
Member since Sep 2012
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Posted on 6/27/14 at 10:12 am to
Stripes.....you sound so ignorant. No one is claiming that soccer will ever be more popular than football, or even basketball or baseball, but to claim it is no more popular than it was 20 or 30 years ago is absurd. ESPN pays 250 million for 3 years to telecast the English Premier league, and they just signed a new 8 year deal with MLS that at 75 million a year is 5 times what they had been paying. Of course what does ESPN know about sports and fan viewership.
Posted by STRIPES
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2003
4771 posts
Posted on 6/27/14 at 10:20 am to
You Soccer guys are so defensive. I am saying that the popularity of Soccer is still so low that it is STILL a LOSER to High Schools and Colleges even after 20-30 years of predictions from you and your ilk that Soccer is the rage. It isn't and never will be more than it is now. A loser.

Why the Hell would LSU or any other College want to add yet another money loser to its' Athletic Department? It's you and you Soccer nitwits who are truly ignorant if you honestly think Soccer brings anything to a college but debt.
Posted by KamaCausey_LSU
Member since Apr 2013
17166 posts
Posted on 6/27/14 at 10:24 am to
Losing millions?
How expensive do you think soccer is?

They just renovated the multipurpose SAC fields. Add some nice bleachers and there you go, no need to build a soccer stadium. Add in game/practice gear, travel expenses, and scholarship/ meal plan for probably 5-10 athletes and you are still well, well below a million.

If all that matters is turning a profit then why not just cancel all sports except football, baseball and basketball, while having the minimum number of women's sports to satisfy Title IX?
This post was edited on 6/27/14 at 10:30 am
Posted by STRIPES
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2003
4771 posts
Posted on 6/27/14 at 10:28 am to
Go enjoy it. That's fine.

However, to attempt to compare MLS to the NBA or NHL by utilizing attendance is stupid. The average NBA Arena may seat 16,000-20,000. The NHL Arenas even less.

The average Soccer field is an open air stadium which can hold up to 100,000 seats. The NBA and NHL sell out and MLS still has to virtually give tickets away. The comparison is vastly flawed.
Posted by TigersOfGeauxld
Just across the water...
Member since Aug 2009
25057 posts
Posted on 6/27/14 at 10:35 am to
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Or Rowing, Water Polo, Women's rugby, or Equestrian. Hell, add all 4.


Equestrian would be the easiest to add. The Farr Park and Horse Activity Center is very close to campus, right off River Road, just past Brightside Ln.

quote:

297.0 Acres - BREC's Farr Park Equestrian Center and RV Campground is one of the areas largest and most versatile centers for horse enthusiasts. It features a newly renovated indoor arena and an outdoor arena (both lighted), 256 stalls, a cross-country event course, horse trails and RV campground.

The facility is located only two miles from the LSU campus and six miles from downtown Baton Rouge attractions


Posted by Tiger n Austin
Austin, Tx
Member since Dec 2005
6801 posts
Posted on 6/27/14 at 10:37 am to
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The average Soccer field is an open air stadium which can hold up to 100,000 seats. The NBA and NHL sell out and MLS still has to virtually give tickets away. The comparison is vastly flawed.


In this statement right here you just exposed that you really have no idea what you are talking about.

MLS has been building soccer specific stadiums for years now. I think the reason that people who follow soccer get defensive is b/c we have to try and educate dipshits like yourself.
Posted by spike0311
Member since Sep 2012
177 posts
Posted on 6/27/14 at 10:41 am to
Just to be clear....I am not suggesting that LSU start another sport that does not pay for itself. Hell...the NCAA is going through so much turmoil right now, who knows what the sports scene will look like in 10 years. I played club soccer at LSU way back when. We drove our own cars to games hours away. Played on whatever open space we could find, sometimes the parade grounds. We had players from several countries and from around the US. We won a couple unofficial SEC championships for LSU. It was great.
Posted by KamaCausey_LSU
Member since Apr 2013
17166 posts
Posted on 6/27/14 at 10:45 am to
We already have an equestrian club team that rides at Farr Park so that would be a pretty easy transition. Also, some of those equestrian girls are pretty damn cute.
Posted by KamaCausey_LSU
Member since Apr 2013
17166 posts
Posted on 6/27/14 at 10:51 am to
You may not be but I am saying that LSU should add a new varsity sport. Being a former rugby player I would like it to be rugby, but soccer is much more realistic. The funds to finance this new sport would be pocket change to the athletic department.

Besides, this is LSU. If you build it, they will come.
Posted by TigerBait1127
Houston
Member since Jun 2005
47336 posts
Posted on 6/27/14 at 10:55 am to
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We have been hearing crap like "Soccer is the sport of the future" for decades now and it is no more partr of the American culture now than it was back 20 or 30 years ago.


Well that is just completely false

Hell, FIFA is one of the most popular games in the United States

Posted by TigerBait1127
Houston
Member since Jun 2005
47336 posts
Posted on 6/27/14 at 10:59 am to
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However, to attempt to compare MLS to the NBA or NHL by utilizing attendance is stupid. The average NBA Arena may seat 16,000-20,000. The NHL Arenas even less.

The average Soccer field is an open air stadium which can hold up to 100,000 seats. The NBA and NHL sell out and MLS still has to virtually give tickets away. The comparison is vastly flawe


You have no idea what you are talking about.
Posted by KamaCausey_LSU
Member since Apr 2013
17166 posts
Posted on 6/27/14 at 11:08 am to
A quick check of stubhub has the average starting price for tickets around $30. That is certainly not "giving them away"
Posted by TigerBait1127
Houston
Member since Jun 2005
47336 posts
Posted on 6/27/14 at 11:17 am to
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A quick check of stubhub has the average starting price for tickets around $30. That is certainly not "giving them away"



You can get Pelicans tickets for $1 on stubhub.

Hell, the NFL has a blackout policy for games and their attendance is down.

Almost every statistic shows that the sport is growing. There is room for it to grow too.

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However, to attempt to compare MLS to the NBA or NHL by utilizing attendance is stupid. The average NBA Arena may seat 16,000-20,000. The NHL Arenas even less.

The average Soccer field is an open air stadium which can hold up to 100,000 seats. The NBA and NHL sell out and MLS still has to virtually give tickets away. The comparison is vastly flawe


The largest listed capacity is 38,500. The majority sit around 20,000. Seattle does just fine filling up a football stadium too. I know Houston has their own soccer stadium

Why do you think NBA and NHL cap off their arenas? Do you think that they are just letting potential revenue slip away?
This post was edited on 6/27/14 at 11:22 am
Posted by BJones
New Orleans Saints Fan
Member since Feb 2014
323 posts
Posted on 6/27/14 at 11:55 am to
I play D1 Mens Soccer, so I feel like I'm pretty equiped to clarify some of the myths that are being thrown around on this thread....

1st- As of about 6 years ago the top players in the United States no longer play high school soccer. This means that high school soccer's success or lack there of, means basically nothing towards making a top tier D1 program in your area. Since US Soccer started the US Soccer Developmental Academy that is where the top players play, and that is where college coaches are recruiting. The season is a 10 month season, and if you play for a club in the US Soccer Development Academy you are not allowed to play high school soccer. The make up a college soccer team currently is about 27 players. I would say about 10 are foreign (Europe, South America, Canada), 15 are from the US Soccer Development Academy, and 2 are the top players from local High schools. The Foreign players are close to full, The top Academy guys are close to full or are on partial, and the lower academy guys and high school guys are paying full tuition (D1 soccer programs are only allowed 9.9 scholarships).


US Soccer Development Academy Clubs- Shows the locations

LINK


2nd- As for attendance, I would say most of the critics are accurate. The top programs in the country average anywhere from 1k-8k. Programs in the top 50 or 100 can average anywhere from 500-3k. In some instances, lower programs will over average a couple hundred. It really depends on your campus's marketing to the local community, student support, and programs success. Some of the top programs in the country attendance wise are Akron, Creighton, UCONN, Stanford, UCLA, West Virginia, Louisville.

If LSU were to get a team those should be around the #s people should expect.

3rd- As for the state of US Soccer at the International Level, the US has improved greatly.

Most MLS teams have their own Youth Academies that all compete is the US Soccer Development Academy. Most MLS teams pay for their Youth Academies so the fee is covered for the top players that make the team. The academy system is suppose to emmulate the European model. It has been very successful. Academies have been signing their top youth players to pro contracts which allows them to skip college and go straight pro. This obviously helps with development. These top academy players are also signing contracts with teams overseas.

Sorry for the long post, hopefully this clears up some misconceptions, or proves some critics right. Not trying to persaude anyone either way, just posting facts that people can debate on.



Posted by udtiger
Over your left shoulder
Member since Nov 2006
112700 posts
Posted on 6/27/14 at 12:16 pm to
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frick Title IX. Lsu would have a top tier men's soccer team if they could


This. If they could keep most of the "home grown" soccer talent in Louisiana (drawing both from high school and the select clubs), they'd make the NCAAs pretty much every year.
Posted by STRIPES
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2003
4771 posts
Posted on 6/27/14 at 1:47 pm to
Some of you have no concept of what scholarships, room and board, coaches salaries, and TRAVEL and Hotels cost the Athletic Department for these losing sports.

To add yet another aport that loses money only detracts from the overall budget while bringing in NOTHING. All this just so a handfull of Soccer fans can say LSU has a Soccer team which will draw at best a few hundred fans toa home game. Then there is the question of who the Hell would they play. I don't even know if the other SEC schools even have Men's Soccer teams but I doubt they do because there is never an article in any Sports Page about them.

If you Soccer guys want to support your beloved Soccer in the MLS go right ahead but as for the college level there simply is no reason to expect a University to add any additional money losers
to the number of money losers (non-revenue) already being force fed by Title IX. No thanks.
Posted by udtiger
Over your left shoulder
Member since Nov 2006
112700 posts
Posted on 6/27/14 at 1:53 pm to
quote:

Some of you have no concept of what scholarships, room and board, coaches salaries, and TRAVEL and Hotels cost the Athletic Department for these losing sports. To add yet another aport that loses money only detracts from the overall budget while bringing in NOTHING. All this just so a handfull of Soccer fans can say LSU has a Soccer team which will draw at best a few hundred fans toa home game. Then there is the question of who the Hell would they play. I don't even know if the other SEC schools even have Men's Soccer teams but I doubt they do because there is never an article in any Sports Page about them. If you Soccer guys want to support your beloved Soccer in the MLS go right ahead but as for the college level there simply is no reason to expect a University to add any additional money losers to the number of money losers (non-revenue) already being force fed by Title IX. No thanks.


Well... Considering the shitton of revenue that supposedly comes rolling in to the AD when they shite on the FB season ticket holders by whoring out the best OOC games to neutral sites (I mean, this is the "explanation" [i.e., excuse] that is given), coupled with the SEC Network $$$, I would think that LSU could field a team without a problem to the "bottom line."
This post was edited on 6/27/14 at 1:56 pm
Posted by BLM
ATL
Member since Oct 2011
780 posts
Posted on 6/27/14 at 1:54 pm to
TnA - I must know you since I played with the club team '96-'98 or so. Initials are JC.

I wonder if the national championship trophy is still on display in the Rec center. Had some good teams those couple of years.
Posted by STRIPES
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2003
4771 posts
Posted on 6/27/14 at 2:07 pm to
Here ya go udtiger. How many players do you expect to need to field a Soccer team. Say 14 maybe. Well if thyey are OOS players their scholarship alone costs approximately $37,000 annually. If they are in-state players the scholarship costs approximately $20,000. Say there is a 50-50 split then the OOS total for scholarships would be $259,000. The in state total for scholarships would be $140,000. That's
$399,000 for just one year's scholarships for a team of 14. What would a coaching staff cost? What would travel and lodging cost? What would a field and maintenance cost?

You are damn right it would cost LSU MILLIONS for a money loser like Soccer and for what? Like I said no thanks.

If you soccer fans want a soccer team so bad why don't y'all figure out some way to pay for it?
Posted by STRIPES
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2003
4771 posts
Posted on 6/27/14 at 2:11 pm to
Here ya go udtiger. How many players do you expect to need to field a Soccer team. Say 14 maybe. Well if thyey are OOS players their scholarship alone costs approximately $37,000 annually. If they are in-state players the scholarship costs approximately $20,000. Say there is a 50-50 split then the OOS total for scholarships would be $259,000. The in state total for scholarships would be $140,000. That's
$399,000 for just one year's scholarships for a team of 14. What would a coaching staff cost? What would travel and lodging cost? What would a field and maintenance cost?

You are damn right it would cost LSU MILLIONS for a money loser like Soccer and for what? Like I said no thanks.

If you soccer fans want a soccer team so bad why don't y'all figure out some way to pay for it? Hey, go have a bake sale or sell Jambalaya dinners
in front of WalMart but leave the average LSU sports fan and his wallet out of your plans.
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