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re: Does it trouble you that Miles does not see a need to change scheme?
Posted on 11/13/15 at 11:45 am to copenhagen pete
Posted on 11/13/15 at 11:45 am to copenhagen pete
yes
I am ready to fire him over it
I am ready to fire him over it
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Posted on 11/13/15 at 1:29 pm to MrSpock
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Is throwing to the TE 3 times not a few different plays versus yesteryear?
People on this board bitched for years that we never passed to the TE.
We're not talking about throwing the Colin Jeter or Dillon Gordon who are both primarily blocking TEs.
We're talking about getting our athletic receiving TE's involved in the passing game. Those TE's would be DeSean Smith and Jacory Washington. The I-Fprmation does not help them get on the field.
Posted on 11/13/15 at 1:44 pm to tiggerthetooth
colin Jeter is a pretty good pass catching TE. We just almost never throw it to the TE's
Posted on 11/13/15 at 1:45 pm to copenhagen pete
Look at Stanford with Harbaugh and Shaw. Look at Michigan, now.
You can operate an offensive approach predicated on running the ball, but it's very difficult to do that by lining straight up and running at opponents. A program like LSU can outmatch most opponents, and can therefore run right at the opposition.
The thing is, there are ~10-15 programs in college football that can line up and play strong against LSU's running attack.
The "Harbaugh" style of running isn't just 'line up and run at the other team' - it utilizes misdirection and a variety of approaches to gain yardage on the ground. It's still running the ball, it's still using the running attack to wear down the opposition, but it's doing it in a much smarter way.
Miles used to have a much more varied approach to offense. The ultra-conservative attack he uses now mystifies me, especially since it would be so easy to implement a few new wrinkles: screens, draws, options, wild-cat, counters, pitches, etc...
You can operate an offensive approach predicated on running the ball, but it's very difficult to do that by lining straight up and running at opponents. A program like LSU can outmatch most opponents, and can therefore run right at the opposition.
The thing is, there are ~10-15 programs in college football that can line up and play strong against LSU's running attack.
The "Harbaugh" style of running isn't just 'line up and run at the other team' - it utilizes misdirection and a variety of approaches to gain yardage on the ground. It's still running the ball, it's still using the running attack to wear down the opposition, but it's doing it in a much smarter way.
Miles used to have a much more varied approach to offense. The ultra-conservative attack he uses now mystifies me, especially since it would be so easy to implement a few new wrinkles: screens, draws, options, wild-cat, counters, pitches, etc...
Posted on 11/13/15 at 1:49 pm to copenhagen pete
quote:
Does it trouble you that Miles does not see a need to change scheme?
yes it does. There is a reason why no other college team and no pro teams run the scheme we do. Oh they may call it 'air Coryell or pro style' but that just a bunch of hooey. Watch a few of pro games one Sunday, then come back and tell be we run a "pro style' offense. (games on the history channel don't count)
Posted on 11/13/15 at 1:55 pm to boxcar willie
our offense is a farce and there is a reason it is a source of laughter and ridicule among football fans and the national media. Name one oC who could do less with this talent that has come through this program in recent years than Cam/Miles.
Love Coach Miles, one of the top 3 HC's in the country but offense football just isn't his thing. It's ok though, Vince Lombardi and Bear Bryant would probably not be very good at football offense these days either, doesn't mean they still wouldn't be great head coaches. Problem is that Miles hired an OC who thinks like him. Saban is probably worse than Miles on the offense side of the ball but was smart enough to hire an OC who knows what he is doing.
Love Coach Miles, one of the top 3 HC's in the country but offense football just isn't his thing. It's ok though, Vince Lombardi and Bear Bryant would probably not be very good at football offense these days either, doesn't mean they still wouldn't be great head coaches. Problem is that Miles hired an OC who thinks like him. Saban is probably worse than Miles on the offense side of the ball but was smart enough to hire an OC who knows what he is doing.
This post was edited on 11/13/15 at 1:57 pm
Posted on 11/13/15 at 2:13 pm to boxcar willie
First of all, you're dead wrong on Lombardi: Vince was an OC, not DC, before he was hired to run the Packers. There's a really cool video of John Madden talking about Lombardi doing a seminar about a single pitch-run concept that took 8 hours.
Secondly, I tend to think that coaches like Bear Bryant and Vince Lombardi would adapt to the best current concepts.
Look at how Saban adjusted his offense at Alabama. I'm sure Lombardi or Bryant would similarly adjust to the times.
It's about winning, not about winning with some pre-conceived philosophy.
Secondly, I tend to think that coaches like Bear Bryant and Vince Lombardi would adapt to the best current concepts.
Look at how Saban adjusted his offense at Alabama. I'm sure Lombardi or Bryant would similarly adjust to the times.
It's about winning, not about winning with some pre-conceived philosophy.
Posted on 11/13/15 at 2:46 pm to RuLSU
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I tend to think that coaches like Bear Bryant and Vince Lombardi would adapt to the best current concepts.
true, but as they have both been dead for some time now, they would not have been able to keep up with current concepts, thus would have to hire out an OC who has been living during this era of football in order to get them up to date.
As Miles/Cam have been living in this era, makes me wonder if they ever watch what other teams are doing in order to get ideas on what a modern football teams looks like on offense. Maybe they only watch the history channel or ESPN classics channel when old football games come on.
Posted on 11/13/15 at 3:36 pm to Canwoodtiger
I don't think Harris sucks, but he is still an underclassman. Its tough to win in the SEC with an underclassman QB making his first real pass through the conference. This is exacerbated by the lack of depth on the DL, terrible ST coaching, questionable OC play calling, laack of adjustments, etc.....
Last week clearly demonstrated how much a gap there really is between LSU and Bama. There's no reason to be mad about it, but we damn sure better do something about it.
Last week clearly demonstrated how much a gap there really is between LSU and Bama. There's no reason to be mad about it, but we damn sure better do something about it.
This post was edited on 11/13/15 at 4:00 pm
Posted on 11/13/15 at 3:43 pm to copenhagen pete
The problem is that we have the plays/formations/personnel installed to run the spread effectively when we so choose, and have decided not to in favor of the I except on obvious passing downs or when were trailing. It's ludicrous. I have no problem with lining up I and two tights to play ball control late in games, but running it all game against Bama when it's obviously not working is stupid as hell.
Posted on 11/13/15 at 4:30 pm to boxcar willie
The tide rises is right, we have not had a complete Qb since 2009!
Posted on 11/13/15 at 4:41 pm to boxcar willie
quote:
our offense is a farce and there is a reason it is a source of laughter and ridicule among football fans and the national media. Name one oC who could do less with this talent that has come through this program in recent years than Cam/Miles.
Love Coach Miles, one of the top 3 HC's in the country but offense football just isn't his thing. It's ok though, Vince Lombardi and Bear Bryant would probably not be very good at football offense these days either, doesn't mean they still wouldn't be great head coaches. Problem is that Miles hired an OC who thinks like him. Saban is probably worse than Miles on the offense side of the ball but was smart enough to hire an OC who knows what he is doing.
couldn't have type it better myself
Posted on 11/13/15 at 4:44 pm to 1badboy
quote:gimme some of that smoke,,jeezus
had a complete Qb in 2009!
Posted on 11/14/15 at 12:09 am to KG5989
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Like I posted before.... That's just not true. On passes within 10yards of the LOS, Harris is 41/60 on the season. Our WRs have had 8 drops and Harris has just 7 inaccurate passes on those throws. And there has only been a couple of passes where Harris puts too much heat on it. But the WRs should still catch it.
And let's get away from Harris. Where was the short, quick passing to the middle of the field with Mett? Nobody has ever said he had horrible touch, yet we still rarely would attack the middle of the field with short, quick passes. We have attacked the middle of the field with the seam and post, but havent done it with short, quick passes regardless who the QB is. It's just a part of Cameron's offense. You can go back and look at his offense with Joe Flacco and the Ravens and even further back to Rivers and the Chargers. He doesnt use short, quick passes to the middle of the field and never has.
This I can see....we have known both he and Jennings can throw it deep. .although the accuracy I would debate...sometimes...
Buy why would you not work on these short routes..and the half back out of the backfield. .LF has great hands and him catching in stride. .is gonna terrify some db's...plus the tight ends...plus. .can't he help design routes that help our fast wr get better separation. ..the single receiver ..double move..hitch route out of the endzone? ?????
Posted on 11/29/15 at 6:10 pm to jcc4009
This thread is even more depressing now.
Then i thought it was just Alleva.
Now it seems its this f king alexander guy
Then i thought it was just Alleva.
Now it seems its this f king alexander guy
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