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re: Does anyone know why Bouman was pulled?
Posted on 6/2/14 at 9:48 am to High C
Posted on 6/2/14 at 9:48 am to High C
quote:Bouman threw 90 pitches against Arkansas in the SEC Tourney in his previous outing. He can and has.
But you want your players to make adjustments? I disagree with the way CPM has handled his third starters all year. He has had plenty of time to extend those guys, I'm talking both Bouman and Cartwright, and has refused to do it. This isn't the first time that one of those two has gotten a quick hook after 4,5, or 6 when he was cruising. There is no reason that a college starter shouldn't be able to go at least 90 pitches at this point in the season other than injury.
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Posted on 6/2/14 at 10:08 am to hashtag
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who cares about the inning? look at the pitch count.
You people are so smart the day after.
Mainieri has been comfortable with Bouman twice through the order all season. Recall, it was only a 1-0 game in the 7th. Suppose Bouman comes out and gives up a baserunner or 2 to start the 7th. Guess what the bitching would be about today? "Why do you leave the guy in for the 7th when you have a fresh and outstanding bullpen blah blah blah" You can spin a baseball games in a million different directions.
What gets me the most about this board and the bitchers in general is this: Just because a coaching move doesn't work doesn't make it a BAD or DUMB move.
LSU got 6 innings and 2 trips around the order with Bouman. The coaches were happy with that. That leaves 3 innings to be eaten up by McCune (you remember him, the guy that got the save in the SEC title game?), Fury, and Broussard, all who have been outstanding of late. Also, you give Houston a different look by going from a LHP to a RHP. There was nothing dumb about the move....it just happened to not work out. shite happens.
Posted on 6/2/14 at 10:25 am to LSUGrad9295
Hey there's a game tonight... Maybe everyone should look at that one. It's kinda important.
Posted on 6/2/14 at 10:46 am to TigersGeaux22
quote:i'm not pitching tonight, so i'm not too worried about my thoughts affecting the outcome. Good talk though.
Hey there's a game tonight... Maybe everyone should look at that one. It's kinda important.
Posted on 6/2/14 at 10:59 am to hashtag
Coach Dunn is widely accepted as one of the best, if not the best, pitching coaches in college baseball. Even the rant is 100% in agreement with that assessment. And while CPM did have the final sayso, he was talking to Coach Dunn every time the camera showed the dugout. Dunn had a lot to say about the pitching changes & his opinions are highly respected by CPM from all accounts. No one knows this pitching staff better than Dunn, be it pitch count or which one is "rolling" through an inning. Way too many short memories here: does anyone not recall all the "great decisions" CPM & Dunn in the past few wks? You play close to 60 games, you are going to lose a few. We've won a lot more than we've lost.
Posted on 6/2/14 at 11:03 am to Keltic Tiger
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Coach Dunn is widely accepted as one of the best, if not the best, pitching coaches in college baseball. Even the rant is 100% in agreement with that assessment. And while CPM did have the final sayso, he was talking to Coach Dunn every time the camera showed the dugout. Dunn had a lot to say about the pitching changes & his opinions are highly respected by CPM from all accounts. No one knows this pitching staff better than Dunn, be it pitch count or which one is "rolling" through an inning. Way too many short memories here: does anyone not recall all the "great decisions" CPM & Dunn in the past few wks? You play close to 60 games, you are going to lose a few. We've won a lot more than we've lost.
Thank you.
Reminds me so much of the Les/Cam arguments. When the offense is clicking, Cam is a god. When it struggles, Les is meddling.
When we have a great pitching performance, Dunn is a god. When our bullpen can't hold a lead, PM should be fired.
Posted on 6/2/14 at 11:29 am to lsu2006
i clearly stated that if these were Dunn's decisions he royally screwed up. I don't really care who's fault it is. I just hope they learn from it and don't do it again. We had enough guys fresh that we should have had someone ready the first guy that McCune walked.
Dunn, CPM, it doesn't matter to me. They both screwed this up and it cost us a game. Hopefully they can fix that and not do it again.
Dunn, CPM, it doesn't matter to me. They both screwed this up and it cost us a game. Hopefully they can fix that and not do it again.
Posted on 6/2/14 at 11:34 am to hashtag
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I don't really care who's fault it is. I just hope they learn from it and don't do it again.
So never make another coaching mistake that costs us a game? Are you even serious?
This post was edited on 6/2/14 at 11:35 am
Posted on 6/2/14 at 11:41 am to hashtag
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we should have had someone ready the first guy that McCune walked.
I'm sorry but you're really stupid. You don't have to have a reliever ready every time a pitcher walks a batter. He got a double play like two pitches later. Yes, it was an unconventional play, but that is irrelevant. He had two outs after that with no one on base and then he retired the next hitter very quickly.
You are bitching about the 7th inning in which we faced the minimum number of hitters and didn't even allow a run. Holy frick balls you are stupid.
This post was edited on 6/2/14 at 11:42 am
Posted on 6/2/14 at 11:47 am to PurpleAndGold86
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I'm sorry but you're really stupid. You don't have to have a reliever ready every time a pitcher walks a batter. He got a double play like two pitches later. Yes, it was an unconventional play, but that is irrelevant. He had two outs after that with no one on base and then he retired the next hitter very quickly.
You are bitching about the 7th inning in which we faces the minimum number of hitters and didn't even allow a run. Holy frick balls you are stupid.
PM wants to run McCune out there in the 8th, fine. Broussard should've been up at the beginning of the inning and inserted right after McCune gave up the hit to start the 8th. It's really not a tough call at all.
eta: With McCune's up and down year we should've had the pen ready all through the 7th and 8th.
This post was edited on 6/2/14 at 11:51 am
Posted on 6/2/14 at 11:57 am to Tigerdew
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PM wants to run McCune out there in the 8th, fine. Broussard should've been up at the beginning of the inning and inserted right after McCune gave up the hit to start the 8th. It's really not a tough call at all.
I agree with this. That isn't what the other guy is saying. The guy has been bitchin all morning about how terrible McCune was because he walked a hitter. The 7th inning is fricking irrelevant. If you're going to bitch about something, at least bitch about the 8th inning when we surrendered the lead.
Posted on 6/2/14 at 11:57 am to LSUChamp06
That's ridiculous . He could have easily thrown 90 pitches . He hurt his ankle , he never stopped throwing .
Posted on 6/2/14 at 12:02 pm to SouthOfSouth
Who gives a shite we lost . We will win tonight and this will all go away . 
Posted on 6/2/14 at 12:54 pm to PurpleAndGold86
quote:wrong. I am not mad at McCune. He's just doing the best he can. I'm mad at CPM for throwing a guy out there who's been either dominate or terrible without a backup plan. McCune hasn't been consistent. And, he wasn't good in the 7th inning either, just lucky.
I agree with this. That isn't what the other guy is saying. The guy has been bitchin all morning about how terrible McCune was because he walked a hitter. The 7th inning is fricking irrelevant. If you're going to bitch about something, at least bitch about the 8th inning when we surrendered the lead.
Prior to inserting McCune at any point in any game, CPM should have him on a short lease and be ready to pull him. Watching the 7th inning could not have possibly given CPM any confidence that McCune was on point.
Again, I'm complaining that our coaches took out a guy who threw less than 65 pitches and was pitching a gem of a 2-hitter. They then put in one of the least consistent pitchers on our whole team and essentially left the fate of the game in his hands. That's inexcusable. they should have had a backup plan in case McCune was off.
Posted on 6/2/14 at 12:55 pm to LSUChamp06
quote:he threw 90 pitches last week in the SEC Tourney against Arkansas.
Yes. This is only his 3rd start coming back from his injury. Low 60s was the pitch count
Posted on 6/2/14 at 12:59 pm to hashtag
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Watching the 7th inning could not have possibly given CPM any confidence that McCune was on point.
You keep saying this and it sounds dumber every single time. Why shouldn't it have given him confidence? Because he walked a hitter on a 3-1 pitch? Should our pitchers NEVER walk a hitter? They probably were thinking after the walk that they needed to get someone hot in a 1-0 game, but then the next guy bunted the next pitch and that turned in to a double play and then he threw 4 pitches to the next hitter and 3 were strikes and retired him on a ground ball to first. So after the walk he threw 5 pitches, 4 for strikes, and recorded 3 outs.
Yes, it is easy for you to get behind your little keyboard and second guess him and say you knew McCune was going to have a rough outing, but at the end of the day you're full of shite. He walked one hitter. ONE. And then worked out of the inning very quickly. Walks happen. Goddamn, you're dumb.
Posted on 6/2/14 at 1:03 pm to PurpleAndGold86
Yea, people can talk about not having confidence in McCune, but anyone saying that the 7th inning indicated anything about his performance in the 8th is an idiot.
Posted on 6/2/14 at 1:33 pm to UpToPar
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Yea, people can talk about not having confidence in McCune, but anyone saying that the 7th inning indicated anything about his performance in the 8th is an idiot.
It really doesn't matter. If you weren't going to pitch McCune in the 8th of a 1 run game, there is no reason to throw him once the lead became 4. I'm of the opinion CPM wouldn't have thrown McCune out there without the swelling of the lead.
You have a fully stocked pen and need 6 outs to advance. It should be treated like a 1 run lead IMO.
And that's not to mention how insanely long the 7th was and how long Cune was just sitting on the bench.
Posted on 6/2/14 at 1:34 pm to CrippleCreek
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It really doesn't matter. If you weren't going to pitch McCune in the 8th of a 1 run game, there is no reason to throw him once the lead became 4. I'm of the opinion CPM wouldn't have thrown McCune out there without the swelling of the lead. You have a fully stocked pen and need 6 outs to advance. It should be treated like a 1 run lead IMO. And that's not to mention how insanely long the 7th was and how long Cune was just sitting on the bench.
I agree with everything you just said.
Posted on 6/2/14 at 1:46 pm to josh336
Only reason is PM not a great coach. Good but not great. LSU needs great
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