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re: Do Reid, Fudge, Murray and Miller stay to play for Coach McMahon?

Posted on 3/22/22 at 3:42 pm to
Posted by Damathe
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Posted on 3/22/22 at 3:42 pm to
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He’s athletic hustles and shot much better in the second half of the year.
Absolutely true, A.B.
I'm not in with the "street ball" crowd but Gaines has to be the subject of much of their ire. Call his game what you want but to me he has been much more of an out of control "me first" player who has to - and has - learned hard lessons before he will adjust his game accordingly.
How many times last season and the beginning of this one, did he go into the lane, leave his feet in traffic, and double pump before somebody rocketed his shite into the mezzanine? We actually made a drinking game out of the times his shots got blocked last year!
The stint as a starter this season did wonders slowing that shite down but what did he do the first two times he touched the ball vs Iowa State? You guessed it - drove into the lane, left his feet, double pumped, and his shite got launched off the forehead of some fat lady in Row 27. The bright lights came on and he reverted to making self induced mistakes that it seemed he had outgrown. That tells me the "it's all about me" factor is still there.
There were also instances where he went away from players who were hot. In one game Days had hit 2 threes in a row (!) and came off a screen - a play which had obviously been called from the bench - for 3 where the defender went underneath and EG looked right at him then tried to penetrate to the other side of the lane. There were other instances like this.
Before they started running back screens to get the ball to Eason at the left side top of the key so he could dribble right, they had been running him off the same screen that had Days open. EG made many passes that were just a little high/low/wide to stop TE's - and other players in other instances - momentum. The screen from the high post player that was designed to give TE momentum towards the FT line/lane pretty much disappeared at some point when EG was on the floor. Anybody with time to look at the games again can see this.
All that being said, I'm not saying the kid won't/hasn't had a nice college career. He has already distinguished himself as a top defensive performer and I hope he stays. Think about the improvement he's shown from last year through the end of this season. It would be a shame for LSU not to benefit from the growing pains he and the team have endured with this kid (and others of course).
I think we should have a 50/50 shot at him staying. How could he not want to be coached by the man who developed Ja Morant? If EG thinks he's that good why would he leave? Other coaches see exactly what MM sees. A player with exceptional ability that needs constant coaching up. He needs to be made to see that the team concept benefits him and will develop and showcase his floor game/talent for the next level better than just a flashy one-on-one game. And MM can show him how that kind of game can flourish in a team concept just like he did with Morant.
Like I said, I hope he stays but I can see him going to another P5 or a mid major where he believes he will be the Cat's arse. Also like I said, other coaches will see the same player and the same issues as MM will see. For my money he should stay put because of the above reasons. If he has mentally matured as much has his game has improved on the court - and if that's enough for him to make a serious assessment of his game - I think he will.
That's where I'm at with him A.B., what you got?
Posted by Adam Banks
District 5
Member since Sep 2009
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Posted on 3/22/22 at 5:38 pm to
I agree that he may leave but it won’t be because McMahon feels he doesn’t fit but because he doesn’t want to be at LSU anymore. The way you phrased originally it seems like you didn’t think McMahon would put up with him.


After watching last years team I have a soft spot for guys who give 100% all the time. Eric Gaines may make some dumb decisions but at least they happen at full speed on both ends of the court. Watford and cam etc couldnt care less about defense last year and never reached their full potential because of it.

If he could finish at the rim then he could become an all sec type guy.

It took Skylar until his junior year to start finishing consistently so I know it can happen and like you said I’d rather it happen with us seeing as he went through his growing pains with us.
This post was edited on 3/22/22 at 5:39 pm
Posted by Damathe
Member since Apr 2020
7092 posts
Posted on 3/22/22 at 7:16 pm to
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I agree that he may leave but it won’t be because McMahon feels he doesn’t fit but because he doesn’t want to be at LSU anymore. The way you phrased originally it seems like you didn’t think McMahon would put up with him.
I certainly wouldn't dispute him leaving because he didn't want to be here. I say it would be a bonehead move but like I explained above I can see him going of his own accord. That said, the first holdover that pushes MM - and they are kids so it will inevitably happen - is going to be made an example of.
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After watching last years team I have a soft spot for guys who give 100% all the time. Eric Gaines may make some dumb decisions but at least they happen at full speed on both ends of the court. Watford and cam etc couldnt care less about defense last year and never reached their full potential because of it.
Watford had a very good college career. He alone prevented it from being a great career. He didn't give the effort last year till the SEC Tournament started. He could have been a legend around here.
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If he could finish at the rim then he could become an all sec type guy.
It took Skylar until his junior year to start finishing consistently so I know it can happen and like you said I’d rather it happen with us seeing as he went through his growing pains with us.
I agree. He has All Conference potential. If shows the same improvement next season as he did this season it may happen sooner than later. Then again - he may be averaging 18 for USC Upstate next season. No telling.
Posted by GeorgeWest
Baton Rouge
Member since Nov 2013
14755 posts
Posted on 3/22/22 at 7:47 pm to
My first basis on which to judge CMM will be who he can talk into staying at LSU. That will be a tough job since no one knows what kind of postseason ban we'll get.
Posted by S
RIP Wayde
Member since Jan 2007
168896 posts
Posted on 3/22/22 at 8:01 pm to
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Nickelberry has serious ties to the east coast basketball community. Especially the Va/DC/Maryland area. I would keep him on staff if it was up too me.


Would go a long way to keeping the likes of Reid, Murray and Williams

My prediction:

Reid- clearly isn’t ready for the next level. But he’ll have suitors in tPortal. Think he moves on. If i was him I’d reach out to purdue. They know how to use and develop bigs up there

Gaines- would love him to stay but feels like he gone. If i was mike white at uga I’d be begging him to come home

Fudge and Wilkinson- got a sneaky feeling they hang around at least a year

Williams- probably transfers closer to home

Colbert and Ezewiro- think Colbert looks around for a fresh start but wouldn’t rule him out returning, Think Ezewiro stays

Murray- probably my favorite player but he’ll have so many suitors. I’d actually declare for the draft if i was him given the modern rules with no limit on how many times you can declare, then see how things play out over the next 1-2 months. I think he could be a pro in a couple years.

Edwards- i guess he’ll be back unless he gets an opportunity to play minutes at a smaller school


Tari- go get drafted son

Reef- i could see him coming back and finishing his career here as an LSU legacy. If i was him I’d definitely keep my options open

Days and Pinson both have the covid year but even if Wade was still here i wouldn’t expect them back. I think Pinson is a future coach so with no real nba future maybe MM talks him into using the covid year, but if he did I’d expect him to transfer

Miller- As much as i want to i can’t see him returning
Posted by DaTruth7
Member since Apr 2020
4056 posts
Posted on 3/22/22 at 8:02 pm to
No
Posted by Damathe
Member since Apr 2020
7092 posts
Posted on 3/22/22 at 8:07 pm to
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My first basis on which to judge CMM will be who he can talk into staying at LSU. That will be a tough job since no one knows what kind of postseason ban we'll get.
Yep. Sure. But it might be a case of letting guys go without trying to keep them if he doesn't see them as parts of what he wants to do.
I would think he'd take anybody who wants to stay but to me Miller, Murray, and maybe Gaines are the only ones he would try hard to re-recruit.
Posted by rjokerlsu
Big Spring, TX
Member since Apr 2007
7298 posts
Posted on 3/22/22 at 10:52 pm to
Reid just finished his freshman season and has just been playing basketball since his sophomore year of high school. I think it’s too early to tell at this time what type of NBA player he will be.

I believe some members of the current team will return next season, just not exactly sure which ones. Time will tell.
Posted by lovinLSU
lafayette
Member since Nov 2007
14558 posts
Posted on 3/22/22 at 11:20 pm to
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Depends on NIL opportunities for Reid and Murray. We seem to be behind the game on that.
.. going to take BIG bucks to keep any name player.. something Wade got run off for doing.. supposably paying players.. Go figure…
This post was edited on 3/22/22 at 11:23 pm
Posted by semjase
New Smyrna Beach FL
Member since May 2014
14576 posts
Posted on 3/22/22 at 11:21 pm to
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I wonder if McMahon will consider retaining Nickelberry?
Why?

He can't coach his way out of a wet paper bag. (As displayed in the Iowa State game and in his previous head coaching jobs)

You want to keep him on the Staff just so he can maybe keep a few of the undisciplined Wade god players around?

Kelly cleaned house of the "Recruiters that can't Coach" and MM should do the same.

Posted by UnoMe
Here
Member since Dec 2007
6858 posts
Posted on 3/22/22 at 11:54 pm to
So you predict everyone pretty much leaves? to go be coached by another coach at another school and not stay committed to a school that comitted to them even thought their coach fricked up?

If so, We should wish them them best wishes and send them on their way and more proof that Mr. Wade was not who you thought he was.
Posted by S
RIP Wayde
Member since Jan 2007
168896 posts
Posted on 3/23/22 at 12:02 am to
The transfer portal isn’t Wade’s fault baw. It’s in most of their best interests to leave if there are postseason bans and things of that nature. Hopefully it is resolved soon so there is more clarity.
Posted by UnoMe
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Posted on 3/23/22 at 12:25 am to
Didn’t say portal was Wade fault baw, the other shite is his fault. Players still should give the new guy a shot before bolting, hope most or open minded and don’t think like you.

Let’s take Eason as a test model?

Will he be drafted?

Yes or no

If LSU wouldn’t have played in NCAA tournament this year would he have be drafted

Yes or no
Posted by S
RIP Wayde
Member since Jan 2007
168896 posts
Posted on 3/23/22 at 10:15 am to
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Players still should give the new guy a shot before bolting, hope most or open minded and don’t think like you.


Well prepare to be disappointed. I don’t want them to leave im just being realistic

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If LSU wouldn’t have played in NCAA tournament this year would he have be drafted Yes or no


If the NOA had been released and we had these potential sanctions looming he wouldn’t have come
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