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Did Savion do the same thing as Fulton?
Posted on 3/13/18 at 8:32 am
Posted on 3/13/18 at 8:32 am
If so, Fulton's attorneys should point out that Fulton shouldn't be punished an extra year just because he stayed with his initial university. What possible purpose would be served by telling recruits they can avoid a two-year suspension by simply leaving their school?
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Posted on 3/13/18 at 8:32 am to Manswers
No, obviously not or else he would be banned from playing next season
Posted on 3/13/18 at 8:34 am to thunderbird1100
The only thing obvious is Savion plays for Bama and Fulton plays for LSU. That leads me to a different inference than yours.
Posted on 3/13/18 at 8:40 am to lsu711
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The only thing obvious is Savion plays for Bama and Fulton plays for LSU. That leads me to a different inference than yours.
Posted on 3/13/18 at 8:41 am to thunderbird1100
I asked a simple question because it is not "obvious" that the NCAA enforced the same penalty on two different people possibly engaging in the same activity.
The one difference is that athlete 1 stayed at his initial school. Athlete 2 left, went to juco then arrived at a different D1 school a year later. One is eligible now, the other isn't.
They were suspended by LSU at the same time, rumors at the time being for the same offense or at least related in some way.
So, what did Savion do that was different than Fulton, other than changing schools, that allows him to play now while Fulton is suspended for an additional year? Either punish them both or let Fulton play now.
The one difference is that athlete 1 stayed at his initial school. Athlete 2 left, went to juco then arrived at a different D1 school a year later. One is eligible now, the other isn't.
They were suspended by LSU at the same time, rumors at the time being for the same offense or at least related in some way.
So, what did Savion do that was different than Fulton, other than changing schools, that allows him to play now while Fulton is suspended for an additional year? Either punish them both or let Fulton play now.
Posted on 3/13/18 at 8:43 am to Manswers
IMO, Fulton’s punishment is similar to the harshness Payton received from Goodell. Rarely ever see multi year suspensions.
How did Coach O not address this in recruiting? He’s not showing he can manage a program, the peace among his staff, or recruiting.
How did Coach O not address this in recruiting? He’s not showing he can manage a program, the peace among his staff, or recruiting.
Posted on 3/13/18 at 8:48 am to Manswers
No.
Posted on 3/13/18 at 9:04 am to LMfan
Think Savions was just a straight up failed NCAA test, which I think is essentially the 2nd failed NCAA test. I think you give a pass the first offense. Fulton's issue is the extra year for the alleged tampered sample. That's the no no
Posted on 3/13/18 at 9:11 am to Manswers
If he did he wouldn't have been recruited by Bama.
Posted on 3/13/18 at 9:21 am to schwartzy
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How did Coach O not address this in recruiting?
How can you not know that he did? However, at the very last moment at 11 PM the night before signing day, the loon who said he was all LSU for two solid years, backed out. At that late stage in the game, there was nothing coach O could do at that point but grimace and smile.
Had Surtain been a straight up honest person, he would have told O ahead of time, but instead, he waited until the very last minute to tell him. Otherwise, Goodrich would have been in this class.
Now given the same exact set of circumstances what would you have done differently to what O did?
Posted on 3/13/18 at 9:21 am to schwartzy
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How did Coach O not address this in recruiting?
How can you not know that he did? However, at the very last moment at 11 PM the night before signing day, the loon who said he was all LSU for two solid years, backed out. At that late stage in the game, there was nothing coach O could do at that point but grimace and smile.
Had Surtain been a straight up honest person, he would have told O ahead of time, but instead, he waited until the very last minute to tell him. Otherwise, Goodrich would have been in this class.
Now given the same exact set of circumstances what would you have done differently to what O did?
Posted on 3/13/18 at 9:23 am to Space Cowboy
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Had Surtain been a straight up honest person
So now it's the kids fault? blame everyone but who runs the show eh.
Posted on 3/13/18 at 9:27 am to Space Cowboy
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How can you not know that he did? However, at the very last moment at 11 PM the night before signing day, the loon who said he was all LSU for two solid years, backed out. At that late stage in the game, there was nothing coach O could do
IMO, they should have been offering both Surtain and Goodrich all along. But, I've never recruited anyone before.
I don't put any blame on Orgeron for the Fulton situation. He's at the mercy of the NCAA and there's no way for him to know Fulton was gonna try to cheat the test. I mean, unless he was telling Fulton to use a fake sample. I have a hard time believing that.
Posted on 3/13/18 at 9:33 am to Manswers
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I asked a simple question because it is not "obvious" that the NCAA enforced the same penalty on two different people possibly engaging in the same activity.
No, it's pretty obvious, if he committed the same "crime", he would have gotten the exact same NCAA mandated 2 year suspension, meaning Smith, just like Fulton, could not play this past season or this upcoming season for any NCAA school. There's no interpretation to the rule the rule clearly states you tamper with a test you're suspended 2 years.
Bama never would have taken Smith if he would be ineligible this upcoming season.
This post was edited on 3/13/18 at 9:35 am
Posted on 3/13/18 at 9:39 am to Manswers
It's really not hard to fact check before posting. Savion was not banned for two years. Fulton is not being punished cause he stayed with LSU. He's being punished for 2 years cause that was his punishment, rightly or wrongly.
Posted on 3/13/18 at 9:40 am to Manswers
quote:I would imagine savion failed the test. Fulton TAMPERED.
Manswers
Y'all need to stop with the bama obsession
Posted on 3/13/18 at 9:42 am to Fishhead
This is what LSU football has come too 
Posted on 3/13/18 at 10:23 am to thunderbird1100
I'm just asking the question. I don't know all the facts and I haven't seen the rule.
People keep saying stuff like "it's obvious Savion didn't do the same thing as Fulton, otherwise the NCAA would have given him the same punishment."
No, it's not obvious and it has nothing to do with Bama. It's a question about selective enforcement and is the NCAA punishing Fulton because he didn't figure out a possible loophole that Savion used (leave school for Juco, reemerge at another D1 school with the penalty laundered).
I don't have time to do this research. That's why I asked. If Savion did the same thing as Fulton, they should suffer the same fate regardless of whether one changed schools and the other didn't.
I assume most agree with me. I don't care about your assumptions. I can make my own. I would be interested if someone can confirm if they both tampered and if someone has a link to the regulation that supposedly mandates a two-year suspension for tampering with a drug test.
I don't buy that whoever is acting as judge in an individual case is not granted discretion to apply the rule in a way that best fits the circumstances.
People keep saying stuff like "it's obvious Savion didn't do the same thing as Fulton, otherwise the NCAA would have given him the same punishment."
No, it's not obvious and it has nothing to do with Bama. It's a question about selective enforcement and is the NCAA punishing Fulton because he didn't figure out a possible loophole that Savion used (leave school for Juco, reemerge at another D1 school with the penalty laundered).
I don't have time to do this research. That's why I asked. If Savion did the same thing as Fulton, they should suffer the same fate regardless of whether one changed schools and the other didn't.
I assume most agree with me. I don't care about your assumptions. I can make my own. I would be interested if someone can confirm if they both tampered and if someone has a link to the regulation that supposedly mandates a two-year suspension for tampering with a drug test.
I don't buy that whoever is acting as judge in an individual case is not granted discretion to apply the rule in a way that best fits the circumstances.
Posted on 3/13/18 at 10:31 am to Space Cowboy
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Now given the same exact set of circumstances what would you have done differently to what O did?
I take the kid, Goodrich, that wants to come here. LSU gets played by the Alabama coaches all the time by kids flipping and not telling the other school so they can sign someone else. It's very dirty, but it's the way it is. I'm telling the kid that wants to play here he gets the spot.
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