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re: Did LM say last week that first 15-20 plays are scripted?
Posted on 9/15/10 at 3:51 pm to geauxaces
Posted on 9/15/10 at 3:51 pm to geauxaces
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It's not like they say this is play #1, then #2, then #3. There is a different script for each down and distance. Ideally this shows the OC what type of plays are working in different situations so he can call the rest of the game.
Right.
And it should scare the shite out of every LSU fan that Crowton's 1st scripted play for a 3rd and 1 situation is a wide option.
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Posted on 9/15/10 at 3:51 pm to Chicot
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Actually they did serve a purpose. They showed what would work in the second half.
Of the first 5 drives, we called 21 plays. Exactly 6 of those went to our running backs and only 3 of those were to Ridley. Care to explain to me how a 4,0, and 5 yard run showed the staff that Ridley would be able to make his next 14 carries go for 150 yards?
Posted on 9/15/10 at 3:56 pm to Antonio Moss
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And it should scare the shite out of every LSU fan that Crowton's 1st scripted play for a 3rd and 1 situation is a wide option.
And didn't he run the option again on the 3rd and short on the 2nd or 3rd series?
Posted on 9/15/10 at 4:04 pm to amiznit
one example of adjusting to the defense and setting up plays that I noticed in the game was the quick pitch to ridley. Vandy was crashing the backside DE on the spread option. We lined up with Ridley next to JJ and rather than the frequent fake underneath handoff with jj reading the end, we quick pitched to Ridley for a 10 yard gain. He easily got the corner because the DE was crashing inside. Nice play call by someone.
Posted on 9/15/10 at 4:06 pm to BT
Well over 20, he said they have scripted plays for neutral downs, long 3rd downs, short 3rd downs, red zone plays...basically 80% of the situations an offense can get in is scripted. He basically fills up a play chart that he then allows Crowton to pick from.
Posted on 9/15/10 at 4:06 pm to BT
Posted on 9/15/10 at 4:18 pm to RummelTiger
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This is not for anyone in particular, but if it fits...
yep, but we do know that something isn't working. we just don't know exactly what.
Posted on 9/15/10 at 4:20 pm to RummelTiger
I would think that plays would be put in a game plan when you know WHO you are playing, you study game film and say that might work during the game... the problem we have is every game starts off with a play off of the tackle... then a sweep... then a 5 yd pass... then a punt!
At half time the other team thinks we will make an ajustment , but we dont unless JJ takes a loss or is intercepted the we just run the ball
At half time the other team thinks we will make an ajustment , but we dont unless JJ takes a loss or is intercepted the we just run the ball
Posted on 9/15/10 at 4:21 pm to oldfan
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At half time the other team thinks we will make an ajustment , but we dont
That's how we trick 'em.
Posted on 9/15/10 at 4:28 pm to Chicot
Guys, don't go off in the deep in with this one.
The plays are scripted YES, but the situations won't always allow for them to stick exactly to the plan.
Here's what I mean:
On 3rd and short (3 or less) we have 3-5 plays we want to try in the 1st series.
On 3rd and medium (4-6) we have 3-5 plays.
And on 3rd and Long (7+) we have 3-5 plays.
ETC.
The plays are scripted YES, but the situations won't always allow for them to stick exactly to the plan.
Here's what I mean:
On 3rd and short (3 or less) we have 3-5 plays we want to try in the 1st series.
On 3rd and medium (4-6) we have 3-5 plays.
And on 3rd and Long (7+) we have 3-5 plays.
ETC.
Posted on 9/15/10 at 4:29 pm to BT
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Did LM say last week that first 15-20 plays are scripted?
Terrible practice..scripting plays. Invented by some goofball named Bill Walsh. He won a couple of Super Bowls doing it, but what did he know?
Posted on 9/15/10 at 4:34 pm to chilge1
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Of the first 5 drives, we called 21 plays. Exactly 6 of those went to our running backs and only 3 of those were to Ridley. Care to explain to me how a 4,0, and 5 yard run showed the staff that Ridley would be able to make his next 14 carries go for 150 yards?
What those plays showed were the persuit angles of the LBs, rotation of the DB's, reactions of the Dline, effectiveness of the called blocking scheme against specific defense sets, reads by the RB's and more.
You didn't know college football was this complicated did you? Here's a hint.......there is a whole fu cking lot you don't know about college football.
Posted on 9/15/10 at 4:43 pm to Uncommon Cents
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What those plays showed were the persuit angles of the LBs, rotation of the DB's, reactions of the Dline, effectiveness of the called blocking scheme against specific defense sets, reads by the RB's and more.
Dude, just don't.
If they don't understand that the first plays of a game are often to find out if the defense is showing the same tendencies that were seen in the game film, just let them rant.
On a positive note, those same ranters are often the ones screaming the loudest on 3rd down, so don't be too 'hard on the beaver'.
Posted on 9/15/10 at 4:58 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
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If they don't understand that the first plays of a game are often to find out if the defense is showing the same tendencies that were seen in the game film, just let them rant.
Exactly. Those plays are called to see how a defense will react to certain things and how they are lining up against different formations. People think defense is like on NCCA football video game where you are in a different alignment against the same formation all the time. For the most part the defense is going to line up the same way against a formation except for when a blitz is called.
Posted on 9/15/10 at 5:05 pm to bmy
quote:This. I don't think they go into a game saying we are going to run these 15 plays in order no matter what. They have a set of 1st & 10 plays, 2nd & short, 2nd & long, 3rd & short and 3rd & long.
they also have scripted sets of plays for certain situations
I just wish Billy G. would work with the WR's on taking their routes to the damn first down marker on 3rd downs. It seems the WR's always run 5 yard routes on 3rd and 7. They are not adjusting their routes to the situation.
Posted on 9/15/10 at 5:11 pm to XbengalTiger
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It seems the WR's always run 5 yard routes on 3rd and 7. They are not adjusting their routes to the situation.
It's partly the play called and partly the qb. JJ can't/won't hit the deep receiver and checks down to the short dump off route.
Posted on 9/15/10 at 5:12 pm to XbengalTiger
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I just wish Billy G. would work with the WR's on taking their routes to the damn first down marker on 3rd downs. It seems the WR's always run 5 yard routes on 3rd and 7. They are not adjusting their routes to the situation.
Well sometimes you need the proper spacing against a defense to get those first down routes open so somebody runs a shorter route. When its checked down to then they are to try to make a play to get the first down. I promise you no coach is calling a play for a QB to hit a WR on a 5 yard route on 3rd and 10.
Posted on 9/15/10 at 5:12 pm to oldfan
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I would think that plays would be put in a game plan when you know WHO you are playing, you study game film and say that might work during the game...
It would work if the other team was stupid enough to not make adjustments to LSU's peronnel, formations, etc duing practice the week before. But they do make changes.
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At half time the other team thinks we will make an ajustment , but we dont unless
You are in the locker room? You are on the sidelines? You are in position meetings at half time? Do you actually believe that LSU makes NO adjustments at half time?
Posted on 9/15/10 at 5:24 pm to bmy
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This is not for anyone in particular, but if it fits...
yep, but we do know that something isn't working. we just don't know exactly what.
nor do we know how close or far away we are from LSU making it work. my gut tells me the staff does not believe our oline yet has the ability to play power between the tackles football. that is probably why they keep running options designed to make the opposition widen their gaps and protect the edge. if you can get them to do that then the traps, qb draws and fullback leads are there for the taking.
Posted on 9/15/10 at 6:15 pm to BT
before the game crowton gives leslie his game plan
leslie throws out the plays he does not like and forces crowton to use only the plays leslie likes
that is reason LSU looks like Dunham Christian middle school on offense
some can keep beating crowton
IT AINT HIS FAULT!!!
leslie throws out the plays he does not like and forces crowton to use only the plays leslie likes
that is reason LSU looks like Dunham Christian middle school on offense
some can keep beating crowton
IT AINT HIS FAULT!!!
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