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Posted on 12/3/09 at 9:19 am to lsu xman
Yes.
Needs to improve on sacks, but did a better job than I thought he would with accuracy and turnovers. Would've been nice to see him scramble a little more to avoid sacks (also would've been nice to see some QB draws, especially when we go 5 WR).
The offensive struggles this year point directly to the coaches and play-calling. Case-in-point: La Tech game. Lee was struggling and we were dominating them on the ground. Instead of going with what was working, Crowton called 6 straight passes with 6 straight incompletions that resulted in 2 straight 3 and outs. I don't know why but Crowton hates shite that works.
Needs to improve on sacks, but did a better job than I thought he would with accuracy and turnovers. Would've been nice to see him scramble a little more to avoid sacks (also would've been nice to see some QB draws, especially when we go 5 WR).
The offensive struggles this year point directly to the coaches and play-calling. Case-in-point: La Tech game. Lee was struggling and we were dominating them on the ground. Instead of going with what was working, Crowton called 6 straight passes with 6 straight incompletions that resulted in 2 straight 3 and outs. I don't know why but Crowton hates shite that works.
Posted on 12/3/09 at 9:19 am to ATLTiger
i had inflated expectations b/c of his performance in last year's Ark and Peach Bowl games. i thought that would be his baseline and he'd improve from there. i don't think he did and at times he seemed to regress. maybe i'm remembering the peach bowl especially w/ rose colored glasses, but i thought he'd take off this year.
Posted on 12/3/09 at 9:25 am to SFVtiger
Everyone is on the bash JJ wagon.
Hell, look at my history I was a vocal advocate of seeing someone else take snaps.
But reality is this, JJ did about as good as you can expect.
He is looking at a 2500 yard, 20 TD 8 INT season next year...his Jr year where you would expect to see him manage the game a bit better. If we can play some decent D and establish a running game this will be enough to take LSU where ever it needs to go.
Of what LSU has available, JJ is far and away the best choice. The JL Tech game shut my arse up forever.
Hell, look at my history I was a vocal advocate of seeing someone else take snaps.
But reality is this, JJ did about as good as you can expect.
He is looking at a 2500 yard, 20 TD 8 INT season next year...his Jr year where you would expect to see him manage the game a bit better. If we can play some decent D and establish a running game this will be enough to take LSU where ever it needs to go.
Of what LSU has available, JJ is far and away the best choice. The JL Tech game shut my arse up forever.
Posted on 12/3/09 at 9:29 am to lsu xman
I guess he did, wasn't expecting much from a true soph QB. Expected the run game to carry the team, which didn't happen either.
I'll be happy if he can become more consistent. Think he has the ability, will hopefully develop more pocket awareness by next season.
I do think that when at the end of the year when he had to get something going he did, which will benefit him in the future.
I'll be happy if he can become more consistent. Think he has the ability, will hopefully develop more pocket awareness by next season.
I do think that when at the end of the year when he had to get something going he did, which will benefit him in the future.
Posted on 12/3/09 at 9:48 am to danfraz
JJ done well. He did not lose any games based on QB play. The games we lost were from coaching and a lack of a team effort
Posted on 12/3/09 at 10:23 am to cardee2003
Here are my thoughts on this.
Ask yourself a couple questions.
How many times this year did you say to yourself about jj wow, did you just see that? Kid is going to be special.
How many times did you say good throw/decision Jordan while thinking my 14 year old could do that.
Then howany times did you say yourself or outloud wtf are you doing dude? Throw it away or he's wide f'in open... Gees.
I've never seen a player get as much hype for being as mediocre as jj. The age factor is old simply put played out.
I was at wash In Sept and jj is same qb today as then.
The bottom line is if jj is going to lead this team back to Atlanta he is going produce the way he did vs gatech.
That was by far his best effort. If not we will continue to be ranked 100 plus on offense in the country.
Ask yourself a couple questions.
How many times this year did you say to yourself about jj wow, did you just see that? Kid is going to be special.
How many times did you say good throw/decision Jordan while thinking my 14 year old could do that.
Then howany times did you say yourself or outloud wtf are you doing dude? Throw it away or he's wide f'in open... Gees.
I've never seen a player get as much hype for being as mediocre as jj. The age factor is old simply put played out.
I was at wash In Sept and jj is same qb today as then.
The bottom line is if jj is going to lead this team back to Atlanta he is going produce the way he did vs gatech.
That was by far his best effort. If not we will continue to be ranked 100 plus on offense in the country.
Posted on 12/3/09 at 10:27 am to TIGRLEE
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Then howany times did you say yourself or outloud wtf are you doing dude? Throw it away or he's wide f'in open... Gees.
This comes with experience. He'll be better next year.
Posted on 12/3/09 at 10:32 am to TIGRLEE
In August there were posts on this site with expectations of greatness, including the Heisman.
Obviously, those were based off of a PeachBowl baseline and improvement has not proceeded apace.
In my opinion LSU does not have a QB with all-SEC potential on its' entire roster (unless Gilbert is better than a lot of people expect.
Maybe the QB of our future is still in HS somewhere today...
Obviously, those were based off of a PeachBowl baseline and improvement has not proceeded apace.
In my opinion LSU does not have a QB with all-SEC potential on its' entire roster (unless Gilbert is better than a lot of people expect.
Maybe the QB of our future is still in HS somewhere today...
Posted on 12/3/09 at 10:35 am to nitwit
quote:
Gilbert
Garrett.
Posted on 12/3/09 at 10:35 am to nitwit
JJ did exacly how I thought he would. Young immature pocket presense, showed flashes of greatness and signs of immaturity. Playcalling put him in bad positions and didn't help him very much in terms of keeping drives going and getting a rhythm. Dangu Crowton 
Posted on 12/3/09 at 10:38 am to TIGRLEE
You just dont get it... like the previous poster aske, or you blind or dont know anything about football? Now maybe he wont be great maybe he will, I'll not dispute that although I believe he will be at least good. But to say he hasnt improved is about as blind as it gets... Nonetheless, you dont need a great QB to win championships... you need great team play... If he CONTINUES to get better and manages the game as well as he has, our defense continues to improve, we will be a championship team... my last two questions, is Greg Mcelroy great? Do you need a great QB to be a championship team?
This post was edited on 12/3/09 at 10:44 am
Posted on 12/3/09 at 10:39 am to TigerWilson88
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Playcalling put him in bad positions and didn't help him very much in terms of keeping drives going and getting a rhythm.
you mean like out routes and dump offs to rbs outat backfiled and 4 yrd curls by Te's or 7 yrders to Lafell or TT?
Basically the easiest throws in football.
Yeah playcalling that was it.
Posted on 12/3/09 at 10:40 am to nitwit
quote:
In August there were posts on this site with expectations of greatness, including the Heisman.
And they were as stupid as the JJ is horrible crowd.
quote:
Gilbert
His name is Garrett, and you really should not post an opinion with out a clue on the roster.
Posted on 12/3/09 at 10:45 am to BehindtheWoodshed
I can assure you I know as much about football as anyone on this board.
However since you seem to know alot about football tell me where all this improvement is.
Footwork?
Throwing mechanics?
Reading secondaries and blitz packages?
How about his ability to not take sacks?
How about his ability and accuracy to throw ball further than 7 yrds?
Too bad his "imporvemment" as you call it didnt translate to improvement in our offensive rankings.
However since you seem to know alot about football tell me where all this improvement is.
Footwork?
Throwing mechanics?
Reading secondaries and blitz packages?
How about his ability to not take sacks?
How about his ability and accuracy to throw ball further than 7 yrds?
Too bad his "imporvemment" as you call it didnt translate to improvement in our offensive rankings.
This post was edited on 12/3/09 at 10:47 am
Posted on 12/3/09 at 10:47 am to TIGRLEE
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you mean like out routes and dump offs to rbs outat backfiled and 4 yrd curls by Te's or 7 yrders to Lafell or TT?
Basically the easiest throws in football.
Apparently you missed the part about stalling drives...Need 10 yards but a call to throw a widereciver screen with no blockers in front on 3rd down for only a minimal gain is a bad play call. That is only one example. I'll throw some more out there if you need me too.
Posted on 12/3/09 at 10:53 am to TigerWilson88
those sacks are apparent drive stallers too.
It was hard enough for us to get 10 yrds in 3 downs.. 17 yrds in two downs was a cluster frick.
It was hard enough for us to get 10 yrds in 3 downs.. 17 yrds in two downs was a cluster frick.
Posted on 12/3/09 at 10:58 am to TIGRLEE
Our running game has a lot to do with our ineptitude as a whole on offense. Hes throwing over 60% completion and go look at lafell and Tollivers Numbers, they average over 13 yards a catch.. does he need to improve in the areas that you mentioned, yes... but yes he has improved on his drops, hes improved in his ability to read defenses, hes improved on his accuracy... hes UNDERSTANDING the game better, but it will take time before he does all of the above mentioned CONSISTENTLY... That comes with age... If he and the team improves as much next year and the year after we will be competing for championships...
This post was edited on 12/3/09 at 11:00 am
Posted on 12/3/09 at 11:00 am to TIGRLEE
Crowton frequently wouldn't play to get 10 yards and a first down. We frequently threw lower percentage completion passes on first down (longer than 10 yards) than trying to get 4 yards twice and make a short yardage 3rd down play. Thus 3 and out more times than even last year if you can believe it. We actually garnished more points last year with JL than we did this year! Why? My theory, JL could make those long throws and keep drives going. JJ just couldn't make those longer pass plays thus more 3 and outs. Had we not called the option so much (wasn't working) we wouldn't have wasted playes. These were called to the short side of the field which negated our speed. We ran the option with JJ's sprained ankle putting him at risk for further injury. Once again I re-affirm, Crowton didn't help JJ much as far as keeping rhythm and keeping drives going.
Posted on 12/3/09 at 11:04 am to TIGRLEE
quote:
I can assure you I know as much about football as anyone on this board.
BOOM
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