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re: Did anyone see Bob Griese on ESPN today?

Posted on 1/11/11 at 9:10 pm to
Posted by PPeterson1
Choklahoma
Member since Jul 2010
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Posted on 1/11/11 at 9:10 pm to
I got this off of TSD, and it was written from a Michigan fan who claims to be in the know. This was all written before Miles announced he was staying.

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This whole Les Miles thing is a smoke screen. Hoke is the Lloyd Carr's group guy and they will get him. You have to understand, there is a power play going on right now within the Michigan camp. This is just my honest opinion, and I have no facts to support it other than what I am told by my friends, but I believe Brandon was set up by a certain group within the Michigan family. This is an abbreviated synopsis but you have to understand that what is going on within Michigan is like a modern day Hatfield and McCoy feud. If you listen to this past week's press conference by Brandon he expressed his desire to unify the Michigan family. He believed Harbaugh was the guy to do it because you have multiple factions. For simplicity purposes, you have the: (1) Bo and Mo group made up of the loyal players who played under Bo and Gary Moeller as well as the "blue hairs" that sit in the stands on Saturday afternoon (Les falls into this camp); (2) lloyd carr group which consists of some of lloyd's players but mostly of coaches like deboard, english and brady hoke but more importantly mary sue coleman-msc (president of u of m); and (3) modern/progressive group who welcome change and believes michigan needs to get out of the 70's in order to compete in modern football. to them, the rr hire was a refreshing change.

you first have to understand that lloyd is pissed that he didn't get to name his successor when he retired after the 2007 football season (thank god because we would have likely ended up with mike deboard or ron english). what is sad is Michigan knew about Carr's impending retirement at least a year in advance, so you would think they could have had some decent succession planning in place. However, it didn't happen likely due to the lack of adequate candidates on the staff and Michigan's inability to reach outside its incestuous family. Enter bill martin (michigan's then current ad) who then proceeds to conduct a national search to identify potential candidates. one caveat....the candidate list could not include les miles. let's just say les has a checkered past that does not endear him to many within the lloyd carr circle. so, the search committee goes out and comes back with a report that identifies les miles is the guy. martin says absolutely not and instructs them to go back out and do it again. again, they come back with les as the guy and you get the famous "miles to michigan with tenuta" report from one of my favorite espin commentators who was used as a pawn by one of the individuals on the search committee (you can figure out who that might be) to leak information all with the intent to shift the balance of power and get miles hired. all the while miles was reaching out through various channels to express his interest and desire for the job. that is where you get the famous saying "bill martin is out sailing and doesn't have cell phone coverage." while miles was trying to reach martin on the final weekend of the 2007 football season, martin was in florida sailing and not taking calls. all the while Kirk Ferentz was Michigan's main target as he is Lloyd Carr's best buddy. Well, that didn't work out (likely due to Ferentz's salary or him being content at Iowa) so when it fell through Martin turned to Schiano at Rutgers. Schiano initially accepted the job but 24 hours later changed his mind. This led to the need of an emergency hire. Ironically, Schiano's agent also represented RR. Therefore, a hasty meeting was set up in toledo, ohio and the rest is history.

rr then shows up in 2008 and you have one faction who is pissed their guy (miles) didn't get the job, another group who is pissed that they didn't get to pick a successor and a third group blindly excited about the future but getting led to slaughter all because the athletic department is stacked with cronies left over from the previous administration. from that point on there was constant undermining, backstabbing and leaks to the press. while i do put some of the blame on him, rr really never had a chance. he was an outsider who walked into the cross-hairs of an all out war being waged. true, had he won, everything might have been different. however, he didn't. he radically changed things which the michigan culture was not ready to change. it is like flipping from a mac to a dell or vice-versa. it was too much for michigan to swallow. then "practice gate" occurs (purposely leaked to the Detroit Free Press by AD insiders), resulting in Michigan being placed on probation for the first time in its storied history, player attrition and finally 3 horrible seasons capped off with and embarrassing gator bowl performance. after stretch gate, bill martin exited and David Brandon (former CEO of Domino's Pizza, a Michigan alum and player for Bo) was brought in this past March to clean up the problems. Ultimately, RR became the fall guy and a way for one of the factions to get "their" guy back as coach.
Posted by PPeterson1
Choklahoma
Member since Jul 2010
2118 posts
Posted on 1/11/11 at 9:11 pm to
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I honestly believe Brandon felt he had been empowered to make the Harbaugh hire and had them on board from the time of the OSU game until the orange bowl. that is the only reason he doesn't fire rr right after the ohio state game and waits 43-45 days. he believed he had a deal "in principle" which could only be consummated after the orange bowl. however, something happened after the orange bowl. true, harbaugh's stock went through the roof with the nfl but there has to be something else. i think they almost got to the finish line on the deal when the lloyd group made some unrealistic demands upon harbaugh regarding some past comments he made pertaining to michigan. i think this was systematically orchestrated by the lloyd group to first agree with brandon on the hire and then to sabotage the deal as they knew harbaugh would never agree to their demands. after that, i believe harbaugh just felt he wasn't going to get into such a cancerous environment as it couldn't be guaranteed that the lloyd group would ever be fully behind his hire or not try to undermine him. why deal with such crap when you can go get paid $25 million a year for 5 years, not have to move across the country and have a better living/working environment? this hire is tied to brandon's legacy at michigan and he knows it. now, however, brandon has egg on his face; thereby, weakening him as an ad because the masses are not going to know this detail. he knows he can't go to miles because miles will never be accepted by the lloyd group. therefore, he stages the solicitation of miles as way to appease the bo group that he tried. as of right now, michigan has not made an offer and will not without first seeking permission from lsu to talk to les. no permission has been requested or granted at this time. les can't accept an offer that is not made. however, if before michigan asks permission the lsu ad wraps les up with an extension then there will never be an offer forthcoming. consequently, brandon can spin it that he tried to talk to les but prior to discussing the opening lsu signed him to an extension satisfying the bo group that he at least attempted. at this late stage, there are no other big candidates available. thus, he is forced to hire hoke (lloyd's guy). if hoke doesn't work out, the lloyd group can always say that it was brandon's hire and it was a failure, fire him and then bring in another ad who is loyal to their cause as well as get another head coach chosen by them. the bottom line, nothing will change at michigan until the lloyd group is gone and that is not happening anytime soon. msc has brought them national acclaim regarding numerous academic programs instituted under her watch. that is what the board of regents really cares about-academics. having a top caliber football team with a big stadium is just a bonus.

true, this all sounds like a conspiracy theory. unfortunately, from what i am told it is true. as a proud michigan alumni and supporter of michigan football i fear for this program right now. we are on the cusp of entering into a very "dark period". while i will support the next michigan coach with unwavering enthusiasm, barring the the establishment of a phenomenal staff, i predict Brady Hoke will be a dismal failure. If America thought RR was in over his head at Michigan, Hoke will be even worse. Keep in mind, Michigan just sacrificed an entire recruiting class to get Brady Hoke. He had better be worth it but I believe otherwise until proven wrong.

John Bacon, a Michigan writer, was given unfettered access to the Michigan football program for the past 3 years and has an upcoming book out this Fall 2011 detailing the football program and what he has witnessed during that time. I can't wait to read it and see if what I am writing is correct.

Go Blue
Posted by mikeytig
NE of Tiger Stadium
Member since Nov 2007
7720 posts
Posted on 1/11/11 at 9:39 pm to
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harbaugh's stock went through the roof with the nfl but there has to be something else. i think they almost got to the finish line on the deal when the lloyd group made some unrealistic demands upon harbaugh regarding some past comments he made pertaining to michigan


finding this part hard to believe- that UM thought they had Harbaugh in the bag. Fascinating read though.
Posted by mikeytig
NE of Tiger Stadium
Member since Nov 2007
7720 posts
Posted on 1/11/11 at 9:41 pm to
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let's just say les has a checkered past that does not endear him to many within the lloyd carr circle


What was this about?
Posted by themunch
bottom of the list
Member since Jan 2007
71231 posts
Posted on 1/11/11 at 9:48 pm to
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what is sad is Michigan knew about Carr's impending retirement at least a year in advance,


This was the part of the coaching deal at meechigan I never understood. Why they knew for a year and got no one on board to take over. There must have been no faith in Lloyd's assistant coaches, which to me, is a sad statement.
Posted by Big EZ Tiger
Member since Jul 2010
26149 posts
Posted on 1/11/11 at 10:24 pm to
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From everything I've read on the situation, this sounds spot on. You do realize that Bob Griese has one of if not the highest IQ of just about any NFL quarterback in history don't you?



Yeah, because there are so many people that don't get along with Les. That theory doesn't seem to make sense (even less when you consider that they were ready to hire him four years ago as well).
This post was edited on 1/11/11 at 10:26 pm
Posted by Tiger Authority
Member since Jul 2007
29476 posts
Posted on 1/11/11 at 10:33 pm to
Hard to believe Michigan would sit on their arse for that long just so Miles could be a smokescreen to have the admin save face so they could hire a guy that did well at Ball St. and San Diego St. I mean, Hoke could be a good coach but RR was a very good coach before he got there and look what he's doing these days.

Not buying the smokescreen. Miles was offered and as a courtesy he is playing it down.
Posted by PatMac1
San Antonio
Member since Nov 2009
109 posts
Posted on 1/11/11 at 10:37 pm to
I think Griese was out having a taco during all this anyway.
Posted by npt817
Prairieville, LA
Member since Sep 2010
1663 posts
Posted on 1/11/11 at 10:48 pm to
quote:

he stages the solicitation of miles as way to appease the bo group that he tried. as of right now, michigan has not made an offer and will not without first seeking permission from lsu to talk to les. no permission has been requested or granted at this time. les can't accept an offer that is not made. however, if before michigan asks permission the lsu ad wraps les up with an extension then there will never be an offer forthcoming. consequently, brandon can spin it that he tried to talk to les but prior to discussing the opening lsu signed him to an extension satisfying the bo group that he at least attempted. at this late stage, there are no other big candidates available. thus, he is forced to hire hoke


Here is the flaw in this. They did meet. Also, this post should be linked to "As the Plains Burn" Will fit nicely there.
Posted by geaux88
Northshore, LA
Member since Oct 2003
16355 posts
Posted on 1/12/11 at 12:53 am to
Jersey,

I love ya to death and respect your opinions on the poli board and the money board....however, you are wrong in this particular case. The Michigan AD was hoping and expecting that Les would be on the plane back to Ann Arbor with him last night. If you don't see that, then you are not seeing the truth.
Posted by IHateOrange
Gadsden
Member since Jan 2007
635 posts
Posted on 1/12/11 at 1:13 am to
Why is it so important for LSU fans to think that Miles turned the job down? Whether he picked LSU or whether he is a Michigan reject, he is your coach. Can you not just celebrate that?
Posted by geaux88
Northshore, LA
Member since Oct 2003
16355 posts
Posted on 1/12/11 at 1:58 am to
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Why is it so important for LSU fans to think that Miles turned the job down? Whether he picked LSU or whether he is a Michigan reject,


Not that it is "important," but Miles did turn the job down.

As of January 12, 2011, there is no such thing as Michigan being in any position to "reject" a coach from LSU.

While rational fans of LSU are glad that he chose to stay, and turned down Michigan, silly little gump-tard fans should be even more thankful......since LSU didn't have to be in the position to go after Saban.....
Posted by Big EZ Tiger
Member since Jul 2010
26149 posts
Posted on 1/12/11 at 2:03 am to
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Why is it so important for LSU fans to think that Miles turned the job down? Whether he picked LSU or whether he is a Michigan reject, he is your coach. Can you not just celebrate that?


I'll tell you what we can celebrate - beating Bama this year.

But seriously, I don't know if it's important, but a number of people are most likely full of $hit or a little naive.

Let's see, which would Michigan most likely want to hire more: a coach who did pretty good at a small potatoes school this year or a winning coach of one of the top programs that Michigan would like to resemble? And that coach went to Michigan, played there and coached there under their legendary coach.

And yet, some people are still trying to twist the story and say they weren't really interested in Miles. It's stupid. Come on now... Some people just want to laugh at Miles no matter what. And he certainly does enough to invite those laughs. But not in this instance.
Posted by offdacorner
Member since Feb 2009
1853 posts
Posted on 1/12/11 at 6:13 am to
Griese's entire problem stmes from his inferiority complex with the SEC.

It reared its ugly head on national television and other forms of the media when Florida was voted ahead of Michigan for the BCS title game.

Then all you heard for the next three weeks was how overrated the SEC was--

that is, until teams like Florida, LSU, and so on started spanking their opponents in the bowl games that year.

Griese is anti anything SEC...period.
Posted by JawjaTigah
On the Bandwagon
Member since Sep 2003
22863 posts
Posted on 1/12/11 at 6:18 am to
quote:

a)I'm 100% confident that Griese knows more than you about it.

b)none of what he said would have necessarily precluded them at least meeting with Miles
Remind me to not put a lot of stock in what you think. 1) Griese, a Purdue man, might or might not know insider stuff, like his colleague Herbie, who "knew" Les was gone to UM in 2007. You are merely expressing an opinion. And 2)if there was no serious UM interest in Les Miles, a conference call would have sufficed. Why create an expensive smoke screen?

Scurry away to your own cold, snowy corner up there in Jersey.
Posted by NorfolkTiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2007
358 posts
Posted on 1/12/11 at 8:02 am to
I thought it was funny that once ESPN learned Miles would stay all of a sudden Michigan didn't really want Miles.
Posted by I-59 Tiger
Vestavia Hills, AL
Member since Sep 2003
36798 posts
Posted on 1/12/11 at 8:04 am to
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JerseyTiger


We can always count on you to defend someone who portrays anyone involved with LSU in an unfavorable light.
Posted by growler
Alexandria, LA
Member since Apr 2004
429 posts
Posted on 1/12/11 at 9:13 am to
Article in the paper this morning said that Michigan AD did not want Miles and only offered 80% of what it would take to get him. He was pressured to talk with him by the MI Miles faction. I believe this to be true by gleaning all of the articles on the situation.
Posted by lsusteve1
Member since Dec 2004
45999 posts
Posted on 1/12/11 at 9:32 am to
UM would have been fortunate to get Miles........they offered......Miles said No

Just like Fitzgerald and Harbaugh

BH was the fall-back and he will keep Michigan right where they are now....irrelevant

Sad actually......and if I were a UM fan...I'd be pissed off as hell at Carr and the influence he has on this program.
Posted by archercurley
MS GULF COAST
Member since Oct 2010
792 posts
Posted on 1/12/11 at 9:52 am to
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You do realize that Bob Griese has one of if not the highest IQ of just about any NFL quarterback in history don't you? How old are you anyway?
Bob....have been enjoying this but I have to go to a MENSA meeting at 10:30
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