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re: Detillier says he believes Canada is out
Posted on 12/15/17 at 7:10 pm to NawlinsTiger9
Posted on 12/15/17 at 7:10 pm to NawlinsTiger9
Ed Orgeron essentially ended his final news conference of the regular season by raising a giant banner that read “HIRE MATT CANADA.” The goal appears to be to get Canada a head-coaching job this offseason, which has a much better outward appearance than disposing of him after just one season. It’s also a lot cheaper — LSU would be on a $1.5 million hook for the next two years if it fired Canada.
Canada not visiting QB recruits.
nov 25: Orgeron says he does expect #LSU OC Matt Canada to pursue head coaching jobs and he hopes he does land one.
Alleva promised an Offensive-Minded Visionary Coach to compete with Saban. Alleva failed, but peddled the idea that Orgeron could be their Dabo Swinney, where he does all the other stuff and leaves the coaching to his high-paid coordinators. But that notion implies Alleva's fundamental misunderstanding of what a head coach means. Yes, the Clemson model puts a priority on high-paid coordinators with significant autonomy to run their units. But that doesn’t give enough credit to the importance of culture and how well Swinney runs the organization. You can’t be effective if you’re not a visionary leader. OCs/DCs are only going to be as good as their head coach allows and inspires them to be.
Some people are good assistants but bad head coaches. Everyone who watched the Ole Miss debacle saw that Orgeron fell into that category.
Alleva assembled 3 Coaches with no history and left them to sort out the details "Without Getting Me Fired". He made Aranda and Canada (who has a D Career Rating) the highest paid Coordinators by tripling their pay.
Duke could not believe we took Alleva off their hands and vowed that they would not squander their new lease on life: Allevas last to HCs went 13-90 over 10 yrs with 1 Div 1-A win.
Canada not visiting QB recruits.
nov 25: Orgeron says he does expect #LSU OC Matt Canada to pursue head coaching jobs and he hopes he does land one.
Alleva promised an Offensive-Minded Visionary Coach to compete with Saban. Alleva failed, but peddled the idea that Orgeron could be their Dabo Swinney, where he does all the other stuff and leaves the coaching to his high-paid coordinators. But that notion implies Alleva's fundamental misunderstanding of what a head coach means. Yes, the Clemson model puts a priority on high-paid coordinators with significant autonomy to run their units. But that doesn’t give enough credit to the importance of culture and how well Swinney runs the organization. You can’t be effective if you’re not a visionary leader. OCs/DCs are only going to be as good as their head coach allows and inspires them to be.
Some people are good assistants but bad head coaches. Everyone who watched the Ole Miss debacle saw that Orgeron fell into that category.
Alleva assembled 3 Coaches with no history and left them to sort out the details "Without Getting Me Fired". He made Aranda and Canada (who has a D Career Rating) the highest paid Coordinators by tripling their pay.
Duke could not believe we took Alleva off their hands and vowed that they would not squander their new lease on life: Allevas last to HCs went 13-90 over 10 yrs with 1 Div 1-A win.
This post was edited on 12/15/17 at 8:30 pm
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Posted on 12/15/17 at 7:11 pm to cra_cra
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Were you in on the meeting?
Yes
Posted on 12/15/17 at 7:20 pm to cra_cra
The AD is the CEO, not the head coaches.
Posted on 12/15/17 at 7:42 pm to cra_cra
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It's pretty obvious from this remark
Its pretty obvious that you haven't been in on any meetings
He told the following to the press, and repeated to Alleva
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Orgeron let his assistant coaches coach and stayed out of their way. "Here's the deal," he says now. "You don't have to make every decision. That's the part that I made a mistake on. You can delegate decisions to people that have expertise in that area."
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They needed to love him—and they'd work even harder if he showed them he loved them right back. The same went for the staff. If Orgeron quit trying to micromanage his assistants, he'd do his job better and they'd do theirs better.
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If Orgeron quit trying to micromanage his assistants
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quit trying to micromanage
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micromanage
That's what he was told to stop doing
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Posted on 12/15/17 at 7:53 pm to NawlinsTiger9
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Why is it that every single irrational O defender resorts to "you never played ball in your life!" or "you lack character!" or "so you hate LSU?!" style of arguments almost immediately?
This is stupid. Both sides use the same argument over and over. It isn’t privy to one side
Posted on 12/15/17 at 7:55 pm to NawlinsTiger9
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Why is it that every single irrational O defender resorts to "you never played ball in your life!" or "you lack character!" or "so you hate LSU?!" style of arguments almost immediately?
It's like the message board version of gaslighting
They cannot argue the merits of an argument so they then attempt to discredit their opponent by saying they lack the credentials to make a certain argument.
Appeal to accomplishment, it's a very popular tool of the Orgeron shills.
Posted on 12/15/17 at 8:41 pm to Fight4LSU
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Only team still waiting on a HC is ULL, which also happens to be the only opening Canada has been rumored to.
Hey fool you don’t listen to the news ULL has its coach it’s Bill Napier the OC from Arizona St.
Posted on 12/15/17 at 8:51 pm to RobbBobb
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Well, except for Alleva calling O in, and throwing his binder back in his face
You're a moron.
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Getting Canada out is O trying to re-assert his HC status.
O never lost his status, dick nose. Again, you're a moron.
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Which is not at all what he sold Alleva on. He sold him on getting the best coordinators available (using Kiffen at the time), and letting them do their thing.
Again, you're a moron. You get on here making up all these imaginary conversations. SlobonmyknobRobb you make window lickers shake their heads in disbelief.
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Alleva gave him the money to do as promised
Well he reneged on that promise, until he had to be reminded of it
Moron. I'm sure that Alleva set O straight. Probably told him to stay out of the way and these real coaches coach.
SlobonmyknobRobb, I like you girl. You make wanna dip, baby!
Posted on 12/15/17 at 8:54 pm to Goldrush25
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they then attempt to discredit their opponent by saying they lack the credentials
Isn't this EXACTLY what you're doing to CEO?
Posted on 12/16/17 at 5:43 am to Goldrush25
It basically comes down to this. There are a bunch of emotional posters on here, some legit, some paid trolls, that fall into two categories. Those that already know O will fail, and actually get upset at anything positive, so they spend their time continuously bashing O and the program, trying to drown out anything positive. Then on the other side there are those like me, not yet sure if O is the answer, but like the direction of the program of late, and am willing to give the guy a shot and wait and see. Myself, like many others, think it is very bad business that chicken allows these trolls on the board to bash the program and O. Stating an opinion is fine, but the repetitive bashing 24/7 speaks of trolls. It is not the majority opinion at all that Lsu is headed down the shitter, and especially from our regular fans away from this board. Most are optimistic with the direction of recruiting, and coaching changes. I'm convinced there are two groups of trolls. One is chicken's army, which he believes is good for business to keep the pot stirred, and one group is paid trolls from a certain recreational group. There are a few that fall into neither category, and those are special. Bottom line is recruits read this, and the attempt by the trolls is to paint a very bad picture of Lsu football. One would barely know that Lsu has a real shot at finishing in the top 10 this year.
Posted on 12/16/17 at 5:52 am to SEC Grapevine
Orgeron has now coached 20 games at Lsu, he is 15-5, and with a win against a top 15 team in the bowl game, I believe he will become the highest winning % coach in Lsu history with 20 or more games. If not then, then it will happen against Miami to start next season. I believe it is time to quit using his record from a previous school, more than a decade ago, and use the actual results that matter most now. Of course, that does not support your agenda
Posted on 12/16/17 at 5:55 am to Nomojeaux
No one is bashing the program, douche. Pull up your big girl panties and stop being so sensitive.
Posted on 12/16/17 at 6:07 am to cra_cra
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And you are a complete FN moron if you don't think coach O understands offense.
since O has only run a D once in his career (when he was the HC and failing terribly), there is a question of how much he understands about defense. no head coach not named Ed Orgeron has ever trusted him to run a defense, because he's never shown he's capable of doing so
This post was edited on 12/16/17 at 6:08 am
Posted on 12/16/17 at 6:08 am to Le Tenia
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What qualifies any Head Coach to have any insight in game planning on the other side of the ball? It's what they are paid to do!
and the problem with this argument is the assumption that Ed O is qualified to be a head coach and if his insight has any value
Posted on 12/16/17 at 6:18 am to Mo Jeaux
Oh really? Most people can see through your bs, but there are some, including recruits, that actually could think this program is in turmoil...based on your groups 24/7 bashing. Then, thankfully, they realize Lsu may finish ranked in the top 10.
Posted on 12/16/17 at 6:21 am to SlowFlowPro
This is where it gets comical. You questioning whether he understands offense and defense. The guy has been a coach at the top of the food chain for the better part of 3 decades...and you act like he doesn't understand concepts. The guy could forget 99% of what he knows about football and still know more than you and that is fact.
Posted on 12/16/17 at 6:25 am to Nomojeaux
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This is where it gets comical. You questioning whether he understands offense and defense.
well it's about how in depth he understands either
he's only run a D once and completely failed. why has no other HC ever offered to let him run a D? why is he stuck at DL coach/recruiter?
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The guy has been a coach at the top of the food chain for the better part of 3 decades...and you act like he doesn't understand concepts.
he is a DL coach, which is the lowest-level coach on staff and often a recruiter-first (like RB coach on offense)
since he's been a coach "at the top of the food chain for the better part of 3 decades", why has he failed at being promoted to DC by a coach not named Ed Orgeron? serious question. why was he never given the keys to a defense? because he's too competent at running a D or something?
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The guy could forget 99% of what he knows about football and still know more than you and that is fact.
even if this is true, it's still irrelevant
Posted on 12/16/17 at 6:44 am to SlowFlowPro
Lmao. So now your argument is he hasn't been a DC. You are a ton troll. Period. I don't give a shite if he comes from the YMCA league as long as he wins. You make these stupid arguments when you hire someone, not 20 games in. Btw, there are 3 major programs that thought highly enough of this low level coach to let him lead their program. He failed at the first, and is 21-7 at the other two major programs. Can he continue to improve? Absolutely.
It is comical that trolls and low level thinkers like you are STILL trying to use his resume, 20 games in. Speaks of your obvious agenda.
It is comical that trolls and low level thinkers like you are STILL trying to use his resume, 20 games in. Speaks of your obvious agenda.
Posted on 12/16/17 at 6:47 am to Nomojeaux
Nomo, SFP is an argumentative and aggravating SOB but in this case he’s correct. O really needs to stay out of the way. The biggest danger is him thinking he can run the offense or for us to think he’s got this figured out. I think he can get better and I think in a few small ways he did. We dont need the old O showing up or we will be in significant trouble.
Posted on 12/16/17 at 6:55 am to Jaydeaux
There is a huge difference between getting out of the way, taking charge, or getting on same page. O is a lot smarter than many of you the no. He definitely needs to work with coordinators on his overall objective of offense/defense, then let them do their job. I believe he did just that this year. If miles would have done that, he would still be here. The funny thing that most of these kids don't get on here is that in the corporate world, most leaders have experts in a certain field that they rely on. This is no different.
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