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Posted on 12/15/17 at 3:32 pm to Goldrush25
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We know Orgeron tampered with (as you astutely pointed out) the offense of a Broyles award finalist. What qualifies him to do that when he's never coached that side of the ball?
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tampered
You use such dirty words. I posted this earlier, you must have missed it...
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A common misconception around here is that O took the play calling away in 1st half v. Troy. FAKE NEWS! Canada called the plays minus the shifts and with little motion. The play calling was no different. No shows shifts and little motion...there was no "modified" offense from O besides that. BTW, LSU was 0/9 on 3rd down that day. 0/5 in the 2nd half with the "modifications" off and sprinkled in a 4:29 TOP in the 4th.....GAME OVER!
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The simplest, most logical explanation is that he disagreed with the way the offense was being run. If the point was to cut down on penalties then why stop at halftime? By going back to Canada's way we were risking more penalties, right?
The Troy game featured starting both Freshman OL in Charles and Ingram. The "tampering" that you speak of was stopping the shifts and reducing the motions. The play calling never changed. The penalties had gotten better in Gm. 4 but the first 3 games were an offical's wet dream. The penalties, a regressing offense, injuries on the OL and suspect play calling at times all lead to O "tampering" with the offense by trying to simplify it.
A defense that was learning on the fly without quality depth is not helped by an offense that can't sustain drives and put points up. At that time, we need an offense to eat the clock and put up points to help until the D matured.
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My explanation makes sense and yours just raises more questions.
You assholes love to be assholes.
Posted on 12/15/17 at 3:58 pm to Le Tenia
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You use such dirty words. I posted this earlier, you must have missed it...
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A common misconception around here is that O took the play calling away in 1st half v. Troy. FAKE NEWS! Canada called the plays minus the shifts and with little motion
How is that not tampering? I never said O took playcalling away from Canada. I said he modified his offense. Again, what qualifies him to change an offense of a Broyles award finalist when he's never coached that side of the ball?
Posted on 12/15/17 at 4:00 pm to Le Tenia
I don't think a lot of people realized the growing pains the defense was going through. Even without the injuries to Lawrence, Alexander and others, there were a lot of inexperienced starters getting their footing. There is a reason Aranda remarked that this season was one of his toughest coaching challenges.
We gave up over 200 yards rushing to Troy and had a hard time getting the ball back to the offense. Miss St was a horrifically bad defensive performance. State had 465 yards total and averaged almost 6 yards per carry.
Both sides of the ball struggled early. We could have weathered one, but not both.
We gave up over 200 yards rushing to Troy and had a hard time getting the ball back to the offense. Miss St was a horrifically bad defensive performance. State had 465 yards total and averaged almost 6 yards per carry.
Both sides of the ball struggled early. We could have weathered one, but not both.
Posted on 12/15/17 at 4:31 pm to Goldrush25
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How is that not tampering? I never said O took playcalling away from Canada. I said he modified his offense. Again, what qualifies him to change an offense of a Broyles award finalist when he's never coached that side of the ball?
He is the Head Coach and the defense was undermanned and getting pushed around late into games. He wanted the shifts and motions to be minimized in an attempt to help a struggling offense. It is his job to look at all aspects of his team. What qualifies any Head Coach to have any insight in game planning on the other side of the ball? It's what they are paid to do!
It didn't work as the offense still struggled to produce points and stay on the field 0/4 on 3rd downs in the 1st half. The play calling never changed besides no shifts and little motion. 2nd half back to shifts and motions and the offense continued to struggle. 0/5 on 3rd downs and 0/2 4th downs. 4:29 TOP in the 4th qtr. 25:16 TOP overall.
The offense was bad that day and a undermanned defense again got pushed around late in the game and gave up over 200 yards on the ground.
quote:you like that word because it makes it sound like was doing something illegal?? Trying to make adjustments to make your team better is not "tampering."
tampering
This post was edited on 12/15/17 at 4:35 pm
Posted on 12/15/17 at 4:47 pm to Goldrush25
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How is that not tampering? I never said O took playcalling away from Canada. I said he modified his offense. Again, what qualifies him to change an offense of a Broyles award finalist when he's never coached that side of the ball?
My God this board is FULL OF IDIOTS...
ED O has been coaching football HIS ENTIRE LIFE at the Pro and collegiate level. He has worked with and under some of the greatest minds in football. He is also the HEAD COACH. So that's all the qualification he needs sir because he is leader and CEO of the program. And you are a complete FN moron if you don't think coach O understands offense. I mean, being a good coach on defense means understanding and trying to BEAT what is coming at you? How many meetings and on the field work has coach O put in discussing offense? Ten's of thousands of hours???
At that point in the season, the offense was struggling. We were starting 3 true freshman on the OL. We were without Guice.
Coach O had EVERY right to ask Canada to simplify the movements and shifts in order to try and help the younger players. It may not have been the right move, but the strategy and thinking was SOUND JUDGMENT.
Coach O saw a problem, and as any good leader should do, tried to find solutions. Unlike his predecessor, who was unwilling to TRY anything different. Further, had the offense struggled all year, you'd be the same JACKO complaining about how inept our HC is because he didn't intervene change the offense "like a good HC would".
My GOD... the IQ of this board ls less than that of a FLOWER! FN MORONS!!!
This post was edited on 12/15/17 at 5:22 pm
Posted on 12/15/17 at 5:00 pm to Goldrush25
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Again, what qualifies him to change an offense of a Broyles award finalist when he's never coached that side of the ball?
You're actually denser than I thought. I agree he may not be qualified....but he is the HC....you do understand that like it or not, he can meddle and change stuff if he wants....that doesn't make it right...but its the way it is.
HE is the chief...and MC is an indian. Do you not know how the HC/AC relationship works?
Posted on 12/15/17 at 5:00 pm to cra_cra
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cra_cra
OK..... I am convinced....
Posted on 12/15/17 at 5:09 pm to cra_cra
I wish I had more up votes to give. The rant never disappoints when it comes to delusional fans.
Posted on 12/15/17 at 5:10 pm to Tiger Ree
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I am positive it has been mentioned multiple times that Freeze and O hate each other
Why the hate? Coach Eaux gave Freeze his first college coaching job.
Yeah. First I'm hearing of it too.
Posted on 12/15/17 at 5:12 pm to tgerb8
Word is that freeze snagged some poon right out from under O.
Posted on 12/15/17 at 5:19 pm to cra_cra
quote:Which still puts him at a disadvantage compared to the expertise of the Rant. Why are you so slow on the uptake? This has been pointed out ad nauseum. Keep up remedial friend.
How many meetings and on the field work has coach O put in discussing offense? Ten's of thousands of hours???
Posted on 12/15/17 at 5:57 pm to TigersFan64
Canada won’t quit and LSU won’t fire him. Unless he gets a HC job he will be back
Canada isn’t throwing $3M away.
Canada isn’t throwing $3M away.
Posted on 12/15/17 at 6:04 pm to tgerb8
Whoever is with T Bob on Saturdays said that.
Posted on 12/15/17 at 6:22 pm to Vidrine
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Canada won’t quit and LSU won’t fire him. Unless he gets a HC job he will be back
Canada isn’t throwing $3M away.
This is the rub. Who is going to make it economically advantageous for him to leave? ULL? Not likely? So, is another team going to pay $1.5M plus a buyout for him to be OC? Not likely. Are Alleva and the BOS going to approve a buyout in year one after the offense showed progress? Doubtful.
Posted on 12/15/17 at 6:26 pm to Le Tenia
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The "tampering" that you speak of was stopping the shifts and reducing the motions. The play calling never changed.
Well, except for Alleva calling O in, and throwing his binder back in his face
After that, LSU looked pretty damn good. Getting Canada out is O trying to re-assert his HC status. Which is not at all what he sold Alleva on. He sold him on getting the best coordinators available (using Kiffen at the time), and letting them do their thing. Alleva gave him the money to do as promised
Well he reneged on that promise, until he had to be reminded of it
Posted on 12/15/17 at 6:33 pm to RedTigerRulz
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You're actually denser than I thought. I agree he may not be qualified....but he is the HC....you do understand that like it or not, he can meddle and change stuff if he wants....that doesn't make it right...but its the way it is.
HE is the chief...and MC is an indian. Do you not know how the HC/AC relationship works?
So the whole letting his coaches coach thing was a lie? Got it.
Posted on 12/15/17 at 6:41 pm to RobbBobb
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Well, except for Alleva calling O in, and throwing his binder back in his face
After that, LSU looked pretty damn good. Getting Canada out is O trying to re-assert his HC status. Which is not at all what he sold Alleva on. He sold him on getting the best coordinators available (using Kiffen at the time), and letting them do their thing. Alleva gave him the money to do as promised
Well he reneged on that promise, until he had to be reminded of it
Sometimes, I just can't sit and listen to this STUPIDITY. WtF is your problem?
You think you are clever with the overplayed and no longer funny "binder" comment?
Were you in on the meeting? Any meeting EVER? Were you there when any of this took place? If not, STFU because you don't know what you are talking about. I mean you tell it like you were there!
You think LSU is paying a man 4 million a year to sit on his arse and let his coordinators make all the decisions? Are you stupid are something?
Please show me proof that ED O said he would hire the best coordinators and not have any say in what is implemented. Please show me where Ed said he wouldn't be involved in the game planning, or strategy, or the decision making process at all.
My GOD you people are so FN stupid! It is UNREAL.
Get over yourself. O never "reneged" on anything. He is in charge. It is his his show. PERIOD. Thus didn't need to be "reminded" of anything. You have no idea what you are talking about... just because you read speculation on the rant doesn't make it true.....
Posted on 12/15/17 at 6:43 pm to Goldrush25
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So the whole letting his coaches coach thing was a lie? Got it.
It's pretty obvious from this remark that the closest you have gotten to playing football is the nerf ball you got when you were 4. And probably the closest you got to playing any organized sport past junior high was when you were still floating around in your daddy's balls! Because it's pretty clear you have no idea how anything works in sports.
This post was edited on 12/15/17 at 6:44 pm
Posted on 12/15/17 at 6:52 pm to cra_cra
Why is it that every single irrational O defender resorts to "you never played ball in your life!" or "you lack character!" or "so you hate LSU?!" style of arguments almost immediately?
It's like the message board version of gaslighting
It's like the message board version of gaslighting
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