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re: Defenses Know what Plays LSU is calling?
Posted on 9/30/09 at 5:44 pm to genuineLSUtiger
Posted on 9/30/09 at 5:44 pm to genuineLSUtiger
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Urban Meyer and his coaching staff probably just pop popcorn, sit back, chuckle and high five each other during film watching sessions leading up to the LSU game.
You think they did this before the game in '07? After?
Posted on 9/30/09 at 5:45 pm to The312
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Condon f*cking ask HOW they knew
Condon never ask for critical info. He only addresses issues that he believes will be controversial.
Posted on 9/30/09 at 5:46 pm to spinoza
dont worry, les is gonna open up the play book this week
Posted on 9/30/09 at 5:56 pm to Luckypierre11
I don't need to listen to a Condon show to know about the running plays for LSU. The pattern is so predictable, plus, I imagine the "tells" on the line and rbs clue in the defense as well.
How about a toss sweep. It ain't a hard play to run. Yes, executing is not always easy, but a toss sweep, i.e. USC, should always be in LSU's running game plan, especially when the HC wants a to establish a running game.
How about a toss sweep. It ain't a hard play to run. Yes, executing is not always easy, but a toss sweep, i.e. USC, should always be in LSU's running game plan, especially when the HC wants a to establish a running game.
Posted on 9/30/09 at 6:00 pm to Ponchy Tiger
Posted by Ponchy Tiger
I don't know but I can tell you this I sat in the stands in Starkville and correct predicted alot of the offensive calls. A fellow poster on here can back me up on this. he asked how I was doing it. I said its easy to figure out based on formation and personnel.
I believe it. I heard the caller and that's what the complaint was about, offensive predictability based on formations. He said some of the linemen were concerned and had talked to the coaching staff. I think it is fairly predictable right now. Thus the offensive rating. We're not fooling anyone. Hopefully we make adjustments soon.
I don't know but I can tell you this I sat in the stands in Starkville and correct predicted alot of the offensive calls. A fellow poster on here can back me up on this. he asked how I was doing it. I said its easy to figure out based on formation and personnel.
I believe it. I heard the caller and that's what the complaint was about, offensive predictability based on formations. He said some of the linemen were concerned and had talked to the coaching staff. I think it is fairly predictable right now. Thus the offensive rating. We're not fooling anyone. Hopefully we make adjustments soon.
Posted on 9/30/09 at 6:03 pm to mrbayoublu
MSU stacked the box and dared LSU to run. It wasnt hard to see what they were doing...But if they did this on nearly every play then of course they would "guess" the running plays.
Its time for the wizard to devise something to throw the defenses off.
Like play action from the running formation everyone seems to recognize.
Its time for the wizard to devise something to throw the defenses off.
Like play action from the running formation everyone seems to recognize.
Posted on 9/30/09 at 6:10 pm to geauxjo
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believe it. I heard the caller and that's what the complaint was about, offensive predictability based on formations. He said some of the linemen were concerned and had talked to the coaching staff. I think it is fairly predictable right now. Thus the offensive rating. We're not fooling anyone. Hopefully we make adjustments soon.
maybe this is by design. Possibly they just wanted to get thru these first few games while playing close to the vest.
Posted on 9/30/09 at 6:17 pm to Ponchy Tiger
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maybe this is by design. Possibly they just wanted to get thru these first few games while playing close to the vest.
But would you have a serious problem with the coaching staff if we lost a game because we were playing it "close to the vest?"
Posted on 9/30/09 at 6:17 pm to Ponchy Tiger
I agree Ponchy. Just keeping it vanilla baby. 
Posted on 9/30/09 at 6:48 pm to genuineLSUtiger
Even high school teams keep statistics about opponents and what plays and the percentage of time they are called with specific offensive alignments, personnel and yardage situations. The local highschool has someone on the sidelines with that info. each game ready for the defensive coordinator. It's easy with game video and computers. You don't need to steal signals if a team tends to stay with its tendencies. You can bet Ga. will be ready with the same statistical breakdowns that our other SEC oppenents probably had.
Posted on 9/30/09 at 6:52 pm to LSUGoo
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I mentioned how predictable we are be just watching the personnel enter the game..Scott runs through 2-4 holes, Murphy/Wild tiger or sweeps, Trindon, option or end arounds...
Posted on 9/30/09 at 7:03 pm to Steauxn
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the real questions(if this is true) are how they knew and how are they going to change it?
go back to using the huddle and limit the number of formations...have at least 10-15 plays that can be run out of every set.
Posted on 9/30/09 at 7:10 pm to ForeLSU
Maybe Hitt is trying to throw someone else under the bus since he hasn't had a decent blocking game all year.....so blame the scheme.
Posted on 9/30/09 at 7:10 pm to genuineLSUtiger
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Urban Meyer and his coaching staff probably just pop popcorn, sit back, chuckle and high five each other during film watching sessions leading up to the LSU game.
YEAH, I betted they popped corn after crying in 07. Last year they studied alot and beat us down. But still don't think they had a party prepping for us.
Posted on 9/30/09 at 7:13 pm to Luckypierre11
You realize you just quoted Condon, right? My left nut has more sports investigative ability than that idiot. He thought LSU's baseball team was playing bad because of big screen tv's in the club house, he thought the reason we weren't playing Southern was because LSU is racist, even though 90 percent of said team is African American. The guy is a moron.
Posted on 9/30/09 at 7:15 pm to Jcorye1
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My left nut has more sports investigative ability than that idiot.
my guess is some idiot saw the thread here and pulled the old "my friend" bit
Posted on 9/30/09 at 7:17 pm to Steauxn
the real questions(if this is true) are how they knew and how are they going to change it?
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i really don't know, but tifwiw ... i read on here that the in motion back is the big tip off
just saying! but als fwiw ... 
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i really don't know, but tifwiw ... i read on here that the in motion back is the big tip off
Posted on 9/30/09 at 7:22 pm to OFWHAP
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But would you have a serious problem with the coaching staff if we lost a game because we were playing it "close to the vest?"
Oh absolutely, not saying I agree with this just saying this might be the case. I find it hard to believe that the man was referred to by the offensive players as "the wizard" because of his crazy plays and formations has sudden gone stupid. Its either they are just playing opossum with the play calling or they are covering up some big weaknesses as long as they can. None of this thou explains the problems with the O-line. whats going on here is the million dollar question and will ultimately determine how this season goes.
Posted on 9/30/09 at 7:24 pm to ForeLSU
someone hit it on the head earlier where you become so packaged and tendency oriented that even a fan can pick up on tendencies. that is easily broken though. Crowton is a smart guy, he has to know he's built tendencies. Someone posted earlier about how at the high school level tendencies are charted based on formation, personnel, down and distance, field or boundary, split or tightend side. but most good high school offensive coordinators (and all college coaches) do a self scout so that they can identify their own tendencies and either eliminate them or use them to their advantage when they see someone overplaying them. I expect (hope) that crowton is building a body of tendencies so that he can exploit them this week.
Did you ever hear a moron in the stands yell, "why didn't he run the toss to the wide side of the field?" The coach was breaking a tendency (perhaps vs. a slanting front).
also, looks vs. certain fronts can dictate checks to certain plays. maybe this is playing a role in our predictability.
Did you ever hear a moron in the stands yell, "why didn't he run the toss to the wide side of the field?" The coach was breaking a tendency (perhaps vs. a slanting front).
also, looks vs. certain fronts can dictate checks to certain plays. maybe this is playing a role in our predictability.
Posted on 9/30/09 at 8:08 pm to LSUGoo
Apparently, Ohio State and the teams on LSU's 07 schedule could not figure it out, because it is basically the same offense.
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I mentioned how predictable we are be just watching the personnel enter the game..Scott runs through 2-4 holes, Murphy/Wild tiger or sweeps, Trindon, option or end arounds...
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