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Defense: Begins and Ends with the Front 4
Posted on 11/27/19 at 9:08 am
Posted on 11/27/19 at 9:08 am
Since Aranda has been here we’ve had 2 front 4 players drafter drafted, both in the 3rd. And when they were both on the team we had a top 5 defense.
Since 2016 Alabama has had 8 front 4 players drafted multiple first rounders.
Clemson had 3 first rounders last year.
Mississippi State had 2 first rounders on their DL last year.
If you can’t get pressure with your front 4 you are going to have a hard time. Look at the top end defenses they aren’t getting pressure with a ton of blitzes. E
Since 2016 Alabama has had 8 front 4 players drafted multiple first rounders.
Clemson had 3 first rounders last year.
Mississippi State had 2 first rounders on their DL last year.
If you can’t get pressure with your front 4 you are going to have a hard time. Look at the top end defenses they aren’t getting pressure with a ton of blitzes. E
This post was edited on 11/27/19 at 9:36 am
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Posted on 11/27/19 at 9:18 am to SammyTiger
We are soft and seemingly slow and not very athletic up front
Posted on 11/27/19 at 9:19 am to KyrieElaison
We need an upgrade at DL coach.
Posted on 11/27/19 at 9:19 am to SammyTiger
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Since Aranda has been here we’ve had 2 front 4 players drafter drafted, both in the 3rd Since 2016 Alabama has had 8 front 4 players drafted multiple first rounders. Clemson had 3 first rounders last year. Mississippi State had 2 first rounders on their DL last year. If you can’t get pressure with your front 4 you are going to have a hard time.
Aranda's defense is based off of LB play to include the rush OLB/DE (Chaisson). That's been known since he got here and even discussed in terms of recruiting. One of the reasons mentioned by Marvin Wilson going to FSU was he wanted to be in a system that the DL was more disruptive.
Aranda's D uses the DL to hold space and allow the LBs to flow to the ball. Shelvin gets a push, but the DL don't stunt and only bull rush which won't get significant pressure. We aren't getting TFLs by our LBs because they are taking bad angles, getting caught on blocks, missing lanes and not being aggressive enough. Chaisson is getting handled way too easy.
Aranda also uses his safeties and hybrids (Stevens) to generate pressure and although Stevens has played well, Delpit has been moved further from the LOS and looks lost, but also has played hurt.
We lack a leader on the D and a thumper like White. It's incredibly disappointing no one has stepped up to fill that role.
Posted on 11/27/19 at 9:23 am to BayouCowboy
That’s all true when it comes to the run game and outside Ole Miss and Alabama we were havint been bad against the run.
The whole “the DL is there to eat blocks for the LBs” Doesn’t really apply when we are in a 4 man pass rush and the LBs are dropping into coverage.
We don’t get any pass rush from the front 4
Our starting front 4 had 4.5 sacks on the season
In 2016 Godchaux had 6.5 by himself.
Shelvin does his job, be pushes the center of the pocket and keeps QBs from climbing but they don’t have to if we don’t get and edge pressure.
The whole “the DL is there to eat blocks for the LBs” Doesn’t really apply when we are in a 4 man pass rush and the LBs are dropping into coverage.
We don’t get any pass rush from the front 4
Our starting front 4 had 4.5 sacks on the season
In 2016 Godchaux had 6.5 by himself.
Shelvin does his job, be pushes the center of the pocket and keeps QBs from climbing but they don’t have to if we don’t get and edge pressure.
This post was edited on 11/27/19 at 9:28 am
Posted on 11/27/19 at 9:23 am to BayouCowboy
Thank you BayouCowboy for a quality thought and explanation
Posted on 11/27/19 at 9:29 am to SammyTiger
Thought all he needed was a nose guard might be crazy but thought Logan and Lawrence were pretty good ...
Until proven otherwise aranda is average and declining every year
Until proven otherwise aranda is average and declining every year
Posted on 11/27/19 at 9:30 am to SammyTiger
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The whole “the DL is there to eat blocks for the LBs” Doesn’t really apply when we are in a 4 man pass rush and the LBs are dropping into coverage. We don’t get any pass rush from the front 4 Our starting front 4 had 4.5 sacks on the season In 2016 Godchaux had 6.5 by himself.
That's where Aranda almost seems in conflict with himself. Unless it's late and we are holding a huge lead we should never do this.
Aranda's supposed genius was to never telegraph our pressure. There was always a rusher coming from LB, safety or even a CB blitz. When you do that, guess what? It makes the OL second guess and opens opportunities for the front 4 to be more disruptive.
I can rush 4 and drop 7 in coverage. Give me 2.5 mil. Aranda is better than this and he needs to do what made him the great DC that he is.
Posted on 11/27/19 at 9:30 am to SammyTiger
Isn’t Arandas Philosophy for the D Lineman to eat up lineman and allow the Linebackers to run free
Which is why our LB’s have been productive under Aranda when in the past we had great DL and weren’t to strong with the LB’s but seemed to really let the D Line get after it up front.
Is it difficult to recruit elite DL into that philosophy or are they “just doing their job” which is not allowing the production.
Which is why our LB’s have been productive under Aranda when in the past we had great DL and weren’t to strong with the LB’s but seemed to really let the D Line get after it up front.
Is it difficult to recruit elite DL into that philosophy or are they “just doing their job” which is not allowing the production.
This post was edited on 11/27/19 at 9:32 am
Posted on 11/27/19 at 9:31 am to SammyTiger
qb's have too much time. Even elite an elite secondary will break down over time.
Posted on 11/27/19 at 9:31 am to BayouCowboy
Listen how many teams are winning by doing anything else?
If you can’t get pressure with 4 good offenses will eat you alive.
If you can’t get pressure with 4 good offenses will eat you alive.
Posted on 11/27/19 at 9:33 am to BayouCowboy
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It's incredibly disappointing no one has stepped up to fill that role.
Stevens seems to be doing that this year, but well after the midway point. Good news - looks to have good leadership developing into the end of the year (when one really needs it if a prolonged post-season) and into next year.
Delpit being hurt all year has had an impact. He was making tons of plays last year when healthy and it really is a shame.
Posted on 11/27/19 at 9:33 am to SammyTiger
Then he needs to adjust for the players he has. Stunt and blitz more to create pressure.
Posted on 11/27/19 at 9:33 am to geauxdroddz
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thought Logan and Lawrence were pretty good ...
I thought They would be but they really haven’t been.
Lawrence had a good first half va Bama.
Posted on 11/27/19 at 9:40 am to SammyTiger
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Listen how many teams are winning by doing anything else? If you can’t get pressure with 4 good offenses will eat you alive.
The problem is the DL scheme. How often do they stunt. When we had Godchaux and Neal we stunted those guys. Maybe they need to work on getting the DL leaner and more agile. And again, if you don't bring pressure elsewhere, 5 will beat 4 most of the time and especially if you add a TE or RB to chip.
Posted on 11/27/19 at 9:42 am to SammyTiger
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We need an upgrade at DL coach.
Need an upgrade of talent.
Posted on 11/27/19 at 9:42 am to BayouCowboy
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5 will beat 4 most of the time and especially if you add a TE or RB to chip.
I mean If we get a TE and RB to chip that’s a win, but we can’t win the 1 on 1s we get in a 4 vs 5. Shelvin does his job. He draws a double teams. Lawrence, Chaisson and Logan just aren’t beating their guys.
Posted on 11/27/19 at 9:44 am to BayouCowboy
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Aranda's defense is based off of LB play to include the rush OLB/DE (Chaisson). That's been known since he got here and even discussed in terms of recruiting. One of the reasons mentioned by Marvin Wilson going to FSU was he wanted to be in a system that the DL was more disruptive.
Aranda's D uses the DL to hold space and allow the LBs to flow to the ball. Shelvin gets a push, but the DL don't stunt and only bull rush which won't get significant pressure. We aren't getting TFLs by our LBs because they are taking bad angles, getting caught on blocks, missing lanes and not being aggressive enough. Chaisson is getting handled way too easy.
Aranda also uses his safeties and hybrids (Stevens) to generate pressure and although Stevens has played well, Delpit has been moved further from the LOS and looks lost, but also has played hurt.
Aranda needs to study Vic Fangio's 3-4 defenses with the 49ers & Bears (you can also include the Dome Patrol when Fangio was the LBs coach for the Saints) or possibly go meet with him this summer to get an understanding how Fangio manages to balance a disruptive front as well as strong LB play.
Fangio has coached some of the best 3-4 defenses in NFL history. He knows what types of players from a physical standpoint fit the front 7 of a 3-4 the best & from an intangible perspective. One of the obvious aspects to a successful 3-4 is an ultimate intelligent field general (Sam Mills, Patrick Willis) & at least one OLB who wrecks havoc in obvious passing situations (Rickey Jackson, Pat Swilling, Aldon Smith). It doesn't hurt to have a disruptive defensive end like Justin Smith & Akiem Hicks.
Posted on 11/27/19 at 9:44 am to SammyTiger
OSU has great talent on DL and still bring 5 most of the time.
This defense has looked great when they have been aggressive and brought pressure. It’s purely scheme...DA hates blitzing
This defense has looked great when they have been aggressive and brought pressure. It’s purely scheme...DA hates blitzing
Posted on 11/27/19 at 9:47 am to SammyTiger
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I mean If we get a TE and RB to chip that’s a win, but we can’t win the 1 on 1s we get in a 4 vs 5. Shelvin does his job. He draws a double teams. Lawrence, Chaisson and Logan just aren’t beating their guys.
I agree. I've seen Lawrence have a few nice impact plays and hopefully he's gotten healthier for a strong finish. I can't say I've seen much from Logan at all. Ferrell has looked like the better player.
As for Chaisson I don't know what to say. I feel bad for him that he's had the injuries, but the production just hasn't been there.
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