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re: Debunking Alabama's 12 national titles...
Posted on 12/17/11 at 5:49 pm to H-Town Tiger
Posted on 12/17/11 at 5:49 pm to H-Town Tiger
No need to ditch Title either because it upsets the peonic masses
Posted on 12/17/11 at 5:50 pm to CrimsonFlame
What do I need to do to quote a post I want to respond to?? Thanks
Posted on 12/17/11 at 6:02 pm to CrimsonFlame
According to an article I read here in Alabama, the school didn't recognize as many until 1993. The media guides only listed 7 or 8 in 92, but jumped to claiming 12 after winning in 92.
Re '77, apparently most of the voters think that beating up on the #1 team is more impressive than beating up on the #8 team. ND & Bama had the same record with ND having the better win. Makes sense to me.
Re '66, what happened in 64 & 65 have nothing to do with it. The voters in 66 believed that ND and MSU were better. I guess they used the "eye test"--maybe you've heard of it, since that is why Alabama is in this year's BCS game.
GEAUX TIGERS
Re '77, apparently most of the voters think that beating up on the #1 team is more impressive than beating up on the #8 team. ND & Bama had the same record with ND having the better win. Makes sense to me.
Re '66, what happened in 64 & 65 have nothing to do with it. The voters in 66 believed that ND and MSU were better. I guess they used the "eye test"--maybe you've heard of it, since that is why Alabama is in this year's BCS game.
GEAUX TIGERS
Posted on 12/17/11 at 6:03 pm to CrimsonFlame
What do I need to do to quote a post I want to respond to?? Thanks
Posted on 12/17/11 at 6:03 pm to attheua
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It's not really fair to bag on Bama when all the other programs in our class use the same standard, imho.
Well, I will and do, but then again LSU doesn't play those teams and those teams do have a 13 on the side of their helmets for all those titles either. Nice red herring though
Posted on 12/17/11 at 6:05 pm to CrimsonFlame
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What do I need to do to quote a post I want to respond to?? Thanks
If you are on a computer and not a phone, when you click on Post Reply, to the right of the box where you type there should be a column labeled Markup just to the left of the Emoticons. At the bottom is a button that says quote, click that and copy and paste the text you want to quote.
This post was edited on 12/17/11 at 6:06 pm
Posted on 12/17/11 at 6:09 pm to H-Town Tiger
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Well, I will and do, but then again LSU doesn't play those teams and those teams do have a 13 on the side of their helmets for all those titles either. Nice red herring though
Well at least you're being honest. Your stance has more to do with Alabama than with validity of the claims, which is fine by me.
Posted on 12/17/11 at 6:11 pm to H-Town Tiger
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What do I need to do to quote a post I want to respond to?? Thanks
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If you are on a computer and not a phone, when you click on Post Reply, to the right of the box where you type there should be a column labeled Markup just to the left of the Emoticons. At the bottom is a button that says quote, click that and copy and paste the text you want to quote.
"Copy and Paste" Get with the times!
Just kidding, trhanks for the help!
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What do I need to do to quote a post I want to respond to?? Thanks
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If you are on a computer and not a phone, when you click on Post Reply, to the right of the box where you type there should be a column labeled Markup just to the left of the Emoticons. At the bottom is a button that says quote, click that and copy and paste the text you want to quote.
"Copy and Paste" Get with the times!
Just kidding, trhanks for the help!
Posted on 12/17/11 at 7:03 pm to CrimsonFlame
I love it!! So here's the only legitimate solution boys. Count the BCS titles you have and that is the total number of "National Football Titles" that you have.
Basis:
* The BCS is the only truly legitimate, even with its pitfalls, championship in football. It uses computer algorythms/et.al., and two "subjective" polls which is miles and miles better than what we had before.
* You can argue against a BCS title, like Bama's in '09. Should they have gone undefeated and made the title with PP7's "not interception" or the "block in the back" that allowed the touchdown. Even with that argument, Bama won it in '09.
* I lived through the 50's-80's prior to BCS and I can tell you exactly what it was...pure BS for the most part. Metropolitan sports writers and people that watched minimal games that weren't local. Nothing but media darlings and ND.
* Hell it surprised all of us in LA that LSU was voted No. 1 in '58.
So just disregard all prior to BCS. At least now there is a modicrum(?) of legitimacy. Once take this one, we'l have "THREE" which is more than anyone else.
Tks,
Now I'll go back to dinner!
Basis:
* The BCS is the only truly legitimate, even with its pitfalls, championship in football. It uses computer algorythms/et.al., and two "subjective" polls which is miles and miles better than what we had before.
* You can argue against a BCS title, like Bama's in '09. Should they have gone undefeated and made the title with PP7's "not interception" or the "block in the back" that allowed the touchdown. Even with that argument, Bama won it in '09.
* I lived through the 50's-80's prior to BCS and I can tell you exactly what it was...pure BS for the most part. Metropolitan sports writers and people that watched minimal games that weren't local. Nothing but media darlings and ND.
* Hell it surprised all of us in LA that LSU was voted No. 1 in '58.
So just disregard all prior to BCS. At least now there is a modicrum(?) of legitimacy. Once take this one, we'l have "THREE" which is more than anyone else.
Tks,
Now I'll go back to dinner!
Posted on 12/17/11 at 7:30 pm to larry289
The funniest thing about Bama's "titles" is that during the time of the Bear they didn't claim all of them. They just started claiming them in the mid 80s because their sports information director made a decision to add them. No other reason.
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This post was edited on 12/17/11 at 7:31 pm
Posted on 12/17/11 at 8:10 pm to Thorny
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Re '77, apparently most of the voters think that beating up on the #1 team is more impressive than beating up on the #8 team. ND & Bama had the same record with ND having the better win. Makes sense to me.
Re '66, what happened in 64 & 65 have nothing to do with it. The voters in 66 believed that ND and MSU were better. I guess they used the "eye test"--maybe you've heard of it, since that is why Alabama is in this year's BCS game.
How can you say that 64'&65' have nothing to do with it? Would a teams performance the previous 2 yrs have something to do with it today? Of course it would. If a team wins the NC and goes undefeated the next yr its almost impossible not to win it that yr. The biggest reason ND & MSU won it in 66' was due to Bama being an all white team. There was a lot resentment from northern voters back then. But we don't claim it so its a non-issue in this debate.
This post was edited on 12/17/11 at 8:29 pm
Posted on 12/17/11 at 8:16 pm to larry289
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* The BCS is the only truly legitimate
So, if we go to a +1 playoff will all of the previous BCSNC's be invalid? Then if we ever go to an 8 team playoff will all the previous +1 NC's be invalid? You see my point? Each era had its own way of determining the best team. If you invalidate any of them you have to invalidate all of them. Bama fans believe all of CFB history is important and deserves recognition.
Posted on 12/17/11 at 8:24 pm to extremetigerfanatic
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The funniest thing about Bama's "titles" is that during the time of the Bear they didn't claim all of them. They just started claiming them in the mid 80s because their sports information director made a decision to add them. No other reason.
We claimed all 6 of Bear's NC's when they occurred. And Bear Bryant certainly gave homage to Wallace Wade who won 3 NC's 25',26',and 30'. He stated on several occasions that Coach Wade was the man that started the Alabama football tradition.
I am shocked at the jealously I am reading from LSU fans in this thread. I would have expected it from from an ACC or Big East team but LSU has its own tradition. You would think that LSU would appreciate another team's tradition.
Posted on 12/17/11 at 8:33 pm to bama1989
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I am shocked at the jealously I am reading from LSU fans in this thread. I would have expected it from from an ACC or Big East team but LSU has its own tradition. You would think that LSU would appreciate another team's tradition.
Your tradition would be a lot more appreciated if Bama didn't embelish so much on an already great tradition. You make everyone question your validity of your tradition when you claim several NC's that are cleary bogus. I will start with 41.
Posted on 12/17/11 at 9:49 pm to bama1989
I dont respect institutional bull shite. We dont even claim all of the bs nc's that we have. We dont even say that our tradition is bigger than bamas. Just know that your ath dept, SID, and board are liars. Be honest. Y dont need to stretch it. The walk of champions says 13. That is institutional lying. No jealousy of that
Posted on 12/17/11 at 9:54 pm to Big Ragoo
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I dont respect institutional bull shite. We dont even claim all of the bs nc's that we have. We dont even say that our tradition is bigger than bamas. Just know that your ath dept, SID, and board are liars. Be honest. Y dont need to stretch it. The walk of champions says 13. That is institutional lying. No jealousy of that
+1
Besides, how many Superbowls do they have?
BURN!!!
Posted on 12/17/11 at 9:54 pm to bama1989
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So, if we go to a +1 playoff will all of the previous BCSNC's be invalid? Then if we ever go to an 8 team playoff will all the previous +1 NC's be invalid? You see my point? Each era had its own way of determining the best team. If you invalidate any of them you have to invalidate all of them. Bama fans believe all of CFB history is important and deserves recognition.
The BCS determination is the 1st "legitimate" methodology of determining a football champion. The first that was not "purely 100% subjective and open to conjecture". So no, I would not disregard BCS titles if future improvements are made and yes subjectivity is always a part of it. The ultimate is to minimize it.
But I do get your drift...I have a slight feeling like that for '58 and the one we were gipped out of at Tennessee in '59.
Posted on 12/17/11 at 11:25 pm to Gulf Coast Tiger
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Your tradition would be a lot more appreciated if Bama didn't embelish so much on an already great tradition. You make everyone question your validity of your tradition when you claim several NC's that are cleary bogus. I will start with 41.
This. And at least in my experience, the majority of your fans are a bunch of dickbags so it's fun antagonize you.
Posted on 12/17/11 at 11:30 pm to bama1989
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How can you say that 64'&65' have nothing to do with it? Would a teams performance the previous 2 yrs have something to do with it today? Of course it would. If a team wins the NC and goes undefeated the next yr its almost impossible not to win it that yr. The biggest reason ND & MSU won it in 66' was due to Bama being an all white team. There was a lot resentment from northern voters back then. But we don't claim it so its a non-issue in this debate.
I can say it, because we are talking about the National Champion for a specific season, not a running champion of the previous three years. The polls are a beauty contest, and for some reason Alabama didn't look as good as ND or MSU that year. Was it because they didn't have black players? Maybe; I don't know--I wasn't born yet, but it didn't seem to hurt you in '64 & '65. I do know that ND and MSU started the season #1 & #2, and didn't lose. Isn't that enough for them to stay ahead?
Your complaint is exactly the type of sense of entitlement that ticks everybody off. You complain that you lost in '66 only because you didn't look right, but you are in this one because you do look right. You complain about losing in '66 because you weren't as big a name as ND, but you are in the game this year at least in part because you are a bigger name than Ok State, who (while they may not be as good) had a better overall resume.
You have a great tradition. You only sound petty arguing over a number that you come up with by counting titles no other school would count.
GEAUX TIGERS
This post was edited on 12/17/11 at 11:31 pm
Posted on 12/17/11 at 11:46 pm to Thorny
Debunking Alabama's 12 national titles...
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How can you say that 64'&65' have nothing to do with it? Would a teams performance the previous 2 yrs have something to do with it today? Of course it would. If a team wins the NC and goes undefeated the next yr its almost impossible not to win it that yr. The biggest reason ND & MSU won it in 66' was due to Bama being an all white team. There was a lot resentment from northern voters back then. But we don't claim it so its a non-issue in this debate.
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I can say it, because we are talking about the National Champion for a specific season, not a running champion of the previous three years. The polls are a beauty contest, and for some reason Alabama didn't look as good as ND or MSU that year. Was it because they didn't have black players? Maybe; I don't know--I wasn't born yet, but it didn't seem to hurt you in '64 & '65. I do know that ND and MSU started the season #1 & #2, and didn't lose. Isn't that enough for them to stay ahead?
Your complaint is exactly the type of sense of entitlement that ticks everybody off. You complain that you lost in '66 only because you didn't look right, but you are in this one because you do look right. You complain about losing in '66 because you weren't as big a name as ND, but you are in the game this year at least in part because you are a bigger name than Ok State, who (while they may not be as good) had a better overall resume.
You have a great tradition. You only sound petty arguing over a number that you come up with by counting titles no other school would count.
Alabama is in it because we earned it - and if we win, I cannot wait to see how many of you rush to solicit an AP title
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How can you say that 64'&65' have nothing to do with it? Would a teams performance the previous 2 yrs have something to do with it today? Of course it would. If a team wins the NC and goes undefeated the next yr its almost impossible not to win it that yr. The biggest reason ND & MSU won it in 66' was due to Bama being an all white team. There was a lot resentment from northern voters back then. But we don't claim it so its a non-issue in this debate.
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I can say it, because we are talking about the National Champion for a specific season, not a running champion of the previous three years. The polls are a beauty contest, and for some reason Alabama didn't look as good as ND or MSU that year. Was it because they didn't have black players? Maybe; I don't know--I wasn't born yet, but it didn't seem to hurt you in '64 & '65. I do know that ND and MSU started the season #1 & #2, and didn't lose. Isn't that enough for them to stay ahead?
Your complaint is exactly the type of sense of entitlement that ticks everybody off. You complain that you lost in '66 only because you didn't look right, but you are in this one because you do look right. You complain about losing in '66 because you weren't as big a name as ND, but you are in the game this year at least in part because you are a bigger name than Ok State, who (while they may not be as good) had a better overall resume.
You have a great tradition. You only sound petty arguing over a number that you come up with by counting titles no other school would count.
Alabama is in it because we earned it - and if we win, I cannot wait to see how many of you rush to solicit an AP title
This post was edited on 12/17/11 at 11:48 pm
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