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re: Dari Nowkhah says LSU “Fifth Best” in SEC West

Posted on 7/18/18 at 8:26 am to
Posted by 00 Tech Grad
My homestead, AL
Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 7/18/18 at 8:26 am to
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Strictly talent alone, LSU is 2nd or 3rd.


This. O has done a good job shoring up gaps in depth and talent.

If LSU finishes 5th in the West (which I don’t think will happen), it will be because of a coaching deficiency, not a talent or depth deficiency.
This post was edited on 7/18/18 at 8:29 am
Posted by tigerballs
red stick
Member since Nov 2005
551 posts
Posted on 7/18/18 at 8:29 am to
He maybe right about the outcome due to the unknown at qb. But saying we don't have the talent just show that he doesn't know what he is talking about. He is just riding the hype train of other schools while not knowing the rosters ok of any schools
Posted by Ignignot
Member since Mar 2009
18823 posts
Posted on 7/18/18 at 8:34 am to
It's a win win for me like that. We win 10 games and make a great bowl I'm happy.

We lose 5 games and go 5th in the west, the ball gets rolling with Allevas termination.

Win win either way
Posted by The Pirate King
Pangu
Member since May 2014
65724 posts
Posted on 7/18/18 at 8:35 am to
It’s hot right now to pick LSU in the gutter. No one knows until the lights come on.
Posted by Magicmikeforlsu
Cenla
Member since Oct 2012
1772 posts
Posted on 7/18/18 at 8:36 am to
I think this year's team will be a big surprise.
Posted by 00 Tech Grad
My homestead, AL
Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 7/18/18 at 8:37 am to
quote:

It's a win win for me like that. We win 10 games and make a great bowl I'm happy. We lose 5 games and go 5th in the west, the ball gets rolling with Allevas termination. Win win either way


The lose/lose scenario also exists, somewhere around 8-4.
Posted by Ignignot
Member since Mar 2009
18823 posts
Posted on 7/18/18 at 8:38 am to
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The lose/lose scenario also exists, somewhere around 8-4.



Agreed, that scenario would suck more than the other 2
Posted by Datbayoubengal
Port City
Member since Sep 2009
29083 posts
Posted on 7/18/18 at 8:40 am to
I think we'll finish 3rd in the West at 9-3. Before Burrow I had us at 7-5 with a huge possibility of going 6-6.

Anybody who has us lower than 9-3;

1. Expects Burrow to be average at best
- I really do believe that we have our best QB since Russell in Burrow
- accuracy is his game. It's what we've always wanted. You can see him read a defense in spring games and the time he had on the field.
- he can freaking run. He's a tough runner too. I can't wait to see the RPOs for this team.

2. Expects run game to be below average.
- the high school ranking on our stable of backs are the worst in a long arse time, but if you really watch them, high school tape/spring game, you'll realize LSU is still in good hands running the ball.
- it'll be like 2011 when 5 different runners, including Jefferson, had at least 250 rush yards and 3+ TDs. We had plenty talent going into the 2011 season at RB, but we had no definite big primetime back.
- I think Helaire, Curry, and Burrow will have the bulk of the carries (160, 130, 100), and guys like Brossette (50), and Provens (50), will contribute. We have various skillsets in that bunch (complete back, power backs, speed back, QB option).

3. What will the offense look like, will it work?
- I'll give them this one. Ensminger is talking a big game, but then he hasn't called a system of his own in over 20 years.
- If he does utilize more modern things; spreading the field, 3 WR base, more emphasis on the TE in passing game, RPOs, nice variety of passing routes, more misdirection in run game, little under center play, then I can see us blowing up.

Mostly media here
4. Expects the defense to not be as good as last year.
- just about every LSU fan expects a much better defense this year, but it's to be expected from us considering we follow the team. Media only sees the fact that we lost a bunch of starters. While we have, there isn't one starter that we lost on defense, that isn't easily replaceable with what we have right now.
- if we get Fulton back, we'll have no holes on defense. Vincent and the Alexander transfer would back up both and we'll be sitting pretty in every position.

Anyway, despite me disliking Ed because we could have easily done better than him, and he could have easily done better in hiring an OC and QB coach, I think he has a lot of shite going his way at the moment.
This post was edited on 7/18/18 at 8:49 am
Posted by Amish threesome
Olive Branch
Member since Oct 2013
976 posts
Posted on 7/18/18 at 8:50 am to
With the amount of unknowns with this team and the brutal schedule LSU Has. I say 5th is about right for summertime expectation. New OC, new QB, how long will it take for the team to gel on offensive. It’s not about the individual player it’s how the team gels and how quick they can play together. LSU has good players, how long will it take for the freshmen to figure out they are not the top player on that team and that transition to teammate.
Posted by 00 Tech Grad
My homestead, AL
Member since Nov 2009
11446 posts
Posted on 7/18/18 at 9:01 am to
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With the amount of unknowns with this team and the brutal schedule LSU Has. I say 5th is about right for summertime expectation. New OC, new QB, how long will it take for the team to gel on offensive. It’s not about the individual player it’s how the team gels and how quick they can play together. LSU has good players, how long will it take for the freshmen to figure out they are not the top player on that team and that transition to teammate


Bull shite.

5th in the west and Alleva should be fired, followed by O. The expectation has been 10 wins every year, and Les failed to meet that for multiple years so he was fired. He never was 5th in the West though. That’s a catastrophic failure at LSU.
This post was edited on 7/18/18 at 9:04 am
Posted by TigerJeff
the Emerald Coast
Member since Oct 2006
16356 posts
Posted on 7/18/18 at 9:07 am to
We are in mid-July.

There is a August camp ... two or so weeks worth, right?

We don't know who the starting QB will be, at this point.

"How the season plays out?" Sure, media dweebs can flap their gums; nothing else to do in the dog days of summer. Fans can speculate. But that's all it is - speculation.

Teams have injuries. Teams have players who vastly improve. It's a fluid situation.

All that to say, Dari whatever is talking out of his arse at this point. And to say LSU doesn't have talent tells me he has no familiarity w/ LSU's roster. It is quite true that there are players who are inexperienced and will have to step up and live up to their billings. Will that happen? That's why they play the game.
Posted by dukke v
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Posted on 7/18/18 at 9:20 am to
Posted by Barbellthor
Columbia
Member since Aug 2015
11025 posts
Posted on 7/18/18 at 9:23 am to
1) Alabama--fair
2) Auburn--will be good
3) Miss State--new coach, but very good DL, so maybe?
4) A&M--good coach, but we've got their number until we don't
5) LSU
6) Arkansas--where they should be
7) Ole Miss--basement dweller for the foreseeable future
Posted by LSUANDY25
Frisco
Member since Dec 2012
3087 posts
Posted on 7/18/18 at 9:28 am to
quote:

Who? Calling BS if he’s saying this team doesn’t have the talent.


Where is it on offense? Where are the 1st, 2nd, 3rd team ALL SEC players this year?

Im optimistic the offense will be better than advertised and several players will break out; hopefully 1 of those plays QB.

But its not far fetched when Vegas has you winning 7 games that you would finish 5th in the west. It is what it is and theres a ton of blame to go around if this happens.

I dont want to believe LSU will lose to Moo St and A&M and Im having a hard time even considering it realistic, that is until I look at the rosters of those 2 teams objectively.

LSU will go this year as the offense goes. If its great they may win it all. If its below avg they may win 6 games.








This post was edited on 7/18/18 at 9:50 am
Posted by El Campo Tiger
El Campo, TX
Member since Mar 2015
10118 posts
Posted on 7/18/18 at 9:42 am to
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He couldn't even name 5 players on our team. But then, neither can you.



Simply not true.

1) Mark Roman
2) Arnold Miller
3) Abram Booty
4) Rondell Mealey
5) Kendall Cleveland

Done.
Posted by 00 Tech Grad
My homestead, AL
Member since Nov 2009
11446 posts
Posted on 7/18/18 at 9:52 am to
Simplistic view imo.

ST - better kickers result in higher PPG
D (specifically turnover ratio) - results in higher PPG

We didn’t have many offensive players on the 2011 All-SEC team either. But TM was good for about 10 PPG it seemed. That team wrecked folks.
Posted by olgoi khorkhoi
priapism survivor
Member since May 2011
16410 posts
Posted on 7/18/18 at 10:03 am to
3-5 is a toss up on paper. 5 is worst case scenario for LSU. Best case is beating Auburn in JH and then fighting them for #2 because of the tough schedule. LSU struggles at AU, so #3 iin the West is a realistic ceiling and where I’d predict them to finish because I think they are going to be better than expected and beat MSU and Fla. 5-3 record gets them the tie breaker over MSU and aTm finishes 4-4 as they’re still going to be too soft this year.
Posted by Cracking
Northshore
Member since Aug 2006
3519 posts
Posted on 7/18/18 at 10:14 am to


Good, let everyone keep telling them they don't have a chance. If the offense comes together and gets some confidence it'll be a snowball effect. Underdog LSU vs. everybody. I think Burrow is the key... He's a leader and talented, and hopefully he can take that talent and leadership and produce if given the opportunity to start.

bookmark all the predictions and hate toward LSU and Orgeron... including LSU "fans" who would rather be right about Coach O and their predictions than to see LSU succeed.

It'll be a great video montage of quotes and predictions of everyone doubting them leading into a highlight season of an SEC Championship or at least a very successful season. I believe.

Posted by 1999
Where I be
Member since Oct 2009
33175 posts
Posted on 7/18/18 at 10:17 am to
team should be in atlanta. burrow puts us over the top. anything less will be a disappointment.
Posted by VolTiger13
New Orleans, La
Member since Jul 2017
3884 posts
Posted on 7/18/18 at 10:20 am to
That's pretty bold coming from the 5th best analyst on their 3 man crew.
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