re: Danny Etling Update

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I see you purposely left out that Tee Martin had almost 200 attempts rushing and 15 plus tds rushing in his 2 starting years. Also Winston was a DT coming out.

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Tee Martin had a 2.8 rushing yard average in 1998. Real dual threat there.
despite all of Tebow's short runs even he had an average over 4.


and who cares what Winston was when he came out. He played in an NFL offense and was a pocket passer, and a good one at that. his career average was 2.0ypc.

Just b/c someone is capable of running, doesn't mean they are labeled as a dual threat QB. Tebow, Newton and Vince Young were true dual threat qbs. the offense relied on them running the ball.

Neither Tee Martin or Winston played in an offense that required a dual threat qb. They played in pro style offenses that needed a pocket passer. Their ability to run was lagniappe.


Pocket passer win championships a whole lot more than dual threat guys. By the time you're playing in the championship game, you're probably going up against several NFL caliber defensive players. If you can't run a NFL caliber offense, it's usually difficult to win against the athletes you're up against. Exceptions of course are made, especially when the QB is the size of Young/Tebow/Cam.

So unless you can find the next Vince Young, Cam Newton or Tim Tebow, stick with pocket passers. and i'm talking to you LES MILES.

Exactly lagniappe. Tee played in a run heavy offense. Jamies in a multiple offense but I can guarantee you they could have played in a zone read power spread offense like Cam, Tebow and Young. The dual threat qb is one who can run with that ball when necessary. You guys seem to think that dual threat means run first or they can't pass and it's just not the case.

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So looking back 17 years, we had 4 dual threat QB's win the national championship, and 3 of them were all time great college qb's who were enormous and athletic.

Can you show me where you're finding all these dual threat qb's winning national championships?

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As usual for you guys, revisionist history in full effect. Check out what the QBs were labeled out of high school. What their coaches developed them to do is another story. If a DT QB goes to a school who system is to primarily pass, those are going to be his major stats. That doesn't stop him from being a DT QB. Brandon Harris has rushed for only a total of 344 yards and 3.8 average at LSU. Does that mean he is a pocket passer. Andrew Luck ran for 957 yards and a 5.9 average at Stanford. Does that make him a "dual threat" in your eyes? By the way I consider him a dual threat.

And again you guys project your prejudices on others. I list white as well as black dual threat QBs. You are the one who subconsciously considers "dual treat" quarterbacks black and this do not want any.

Coming out of high school the QB were considered:

Tamaurice Nigel "Tee" Martin - DT
Vince Young DT
Chris Leak PP (Tim Tebow- DT, without him they don't win)
Matt Flynn (Without Ryan Perriloux - DT, LSU doesn't get to championship game)
Tim Tebow DT
Cam Newton DT
Jameis Winston - DT
OSU any of the 3 - DT


And you think your argument against DT QBs is bolstered by you claiming 3 of the championship winning DT QBs were the greatest of all times? Maybe that is contra to your argument. Peyton Manning and Tom Brady, arguably among the greatest pocket passing QBs of all time did not win championships in college. Tee Martin, a DT, won the year after Manning was the number one pick in the NFL draft. So should he be considered one of the greatest QBs of all time as well?