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re: Curley Hallman years at LSU?
Posted on 7/15/09 at 7:52 am to Lee Chatelain
Posted on 7/15/09 at 7:52 am to Lee Chatelain
its all Brett Favres fault. If favre hadnt led USM to wins over Bama, we never consider Hallman
Hallman was coaching HS football at Muscle Shoals HS in alabama. he got relived of those duties last year, but had tenure, so now he is the PE TEACHER AT MUSCLE SHOALS ELEMENTARY
a former D1 coach teaching dodgeball
Hallman was coaching HS football at Muscle Shoals HS in alabama. he got relived of those duties last year, but had tenure, so now he is the PE TEACHER AT MUSCLE SHOALS ELEMENTARY
a former D1 coach teaching dodgeball
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Posted on 7/15/09 at 7:59 am to LSUMJ
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he got relived of those duties last year, but had tenure, so now he is the PE TEACHER AT MUSCLE SHOALS ELEMENTARY
Think Joe Dean uses that as a 'bullet point' with his new search company ? I know Dean used "Raycom" to hire Curley in '90,but he was the one who signed him.
Posted on 7/15/09 at 8:05 am to LSUMJ
If you ever speak to anyone who was associated with the program back in the Hallman years, they will almost start to cry. There may have never been a coach hired in major college football that was more unprepared to be a coach. Curley was ust plain stupid.
Posted on 7/15/09 at 8:58 am to LSUMJ
One of the supposed 'Curley's women' is still employed in the LSU football office.
No.. not anymore I think she stopped working there a couple of years ago..
No.. not anymore I think she stopped working there a couple of years ago..
Posted on 7/15/09 at 9:11 am to I-59 Tiger
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I know Dean used "Raycom" to hire Curley in '90,but he was the one who signed him.
Yeah Dean paid Raycom $50,000 I remember for the coaching "search" and they then hired Hallman. Dean could have saved the $50,000 and a used a quarter for a call from a pay phone and Curley would have crawled to BR. What a joke. Dean then hires Dinardo who was days from being fired at Vandy after getting beat 65-0 by Tennessee.
Posted on 7/15/09 at 9:22 am to choupiquesushi
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No.. not anymore I think she stopped working there a couple of years ago..
Is the person you all are thinking of have Y as an initial?
The mood/atmosphere during the Hallman years was very complex.....mostly negative. Much resentment towards coaches. Expectations were not high and much of the team had settled into a defeatist and goof off mindset. When the touted RB crew arrived and Robert Davis showed flashes of brilliance in practice, you could sense more optimism, BUT the coaching staff quickly eroded that talent into mediocrity. Hallman and his staff overwhelmingly played favorites (even indirectly calling for 'hit' on a player that got me sick to my stomach) and severely overworked the players (i.e. 14-110yd sprints the morning after game, 3-4 hours full pads on Thurdsday before a game, etc.).
BTW, the talent on Archer's and Hallman's teams was actually very good (In Archer's 1st 2 years he got the majority of top recruits in LA with a few going to other schools). The lack of development of that talent is the culprit. Sure Sol as your starter is a stretch and there were some holes, but Lynn Amadee/George Haff (sp.) ruining Chad Loup was not Chad's fault.....the guy was talented.
Hallman's last year was strange b/c everybody wanted to go to the Indy Bowl but it prob would have secured him for at least 1 more year. While we didn't go to a bowl, Hallman was gone and you could sense that was something everybody almost preferred.
This post was edited on 7/15/09 at 9:29 am
Posted on 7/15/09 at 9:25 am to CharlesLSU
Charles .. you must have season tix.. near mine...LOL
Posted on 7/15/09 at 9:30 am to choupiquesushi
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Charles .. you must have season tix.. near mine...LOL
Nope, no season tix. I may go once in a blue moon but watche every game on TV. Going to games is very painful.......I carry a ton of regrets. The times I do go, I get so pickled that it numbs everything.....ends up being no fun.
This post was edited on 7/15/09 at 9:32 am
Posted on 7/15/09 at 9:35 am to CharlesLSU
yes
Posted on 7/15/09 at 9:38 am to CharlesLSU
ex player?
Posted on 7/15/09 at 9:41 am to LSUMJ
I've heard from several ex players about the hitting that went on. Hallman and Lynn Amadee thought they were The Bear and would have players hitting the whole way through the season (like two lines facing each other and 2 players hitting)....as punishment and as a Junction Boys kinda thing.
Difference is when The Bear-Junction Boys thing took place Bama had like 200 players on the team. You could stand to hit all season when you have a multitude of players......Hallman was as dumb as a box of hammers.
Difference is when The Bear-Junction Boys thing took place Bama had like 200 players on the team. You could stand to hit all season when you have a multitude of players......Hallman was as dumb as a box of hammers.
This post was edited on 7/15/09 at 9:43 am
Posted on 7/15/09 at 9:47 am to CharlesLSU
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Lynn Amadee/George Haff
Lynn Amedee and George Haffner
LINK
This post was edited on 7/15/09 at 9:50 am
Posted on 7/15/09 at 9:48 am to I-59 Tiger
I knew guys on the FB team during the Hallman years and people who worked in the athletics office. First, Hallman recruited some very talented players. Guys like Eddie Kennison, Denard Walker, Wade Richey, Tori James, Alan Faneca and others played in the NFL. The vast majority of guys on the team were good character guys. The majority of guys on the team liked Curley. Though it did seem he did play favorites. Never understood why Bret Beche got all those passes thrown at him when Eddie Kennison was on the team. I guess Bret ran "good routes".
Honestly, Curley was old school in his training and conditioning and how he ran practices I think in some losses the guys just lost their legs. If the other teams are making sure their guys are fresh it was a big difference and of course there were some stupid play calling by his OC. Jamie Howard got unfairly criticized for following the coaches plays. Plus Curley could never seem to really settled on a QB early in his career.
Yeah the thing that surprised me about Curley's habits is that Dale was a very attractive woman. She was MILF before the term even existed.
Honestly, Curley was old school in his training and conditioning and how he ran practices I think in some losses the guys just lost their legs. If the other teams are making sure their guys are fresh it was a big difference and of course there were some stupid play calling by his OC. Jamie Howard got unfairly criticized for following the coaches plays. Plus Curley could never seem to really settled on a QB early in his career.
Yeah the thing that surprised me about Curley's habits is that Dale was a very attractive woman. She was MILF before the term even existed.
Posted on 7/15/09 at 9:49 am to simmons2112
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I've heard from several ex players about the hitting that went on. Hallman and Lynn Amadee thought they were The Bear and would have players hitting the whole way through the season (like two lines facing each other and 2 players hitting)....as punishment and as a Junction Boys kinda thing.
Difference is when The Bear-Junction Boys thing took place Bama had like 200 players on the team. You could stand to hit all season when you have a multitude of players......Hallman was as dumb as a box of hammers.
Plus during the Bear's time all the other teams were doing that. If the other teams did things then like now the Bear would have gotten beat a lot more.
Posted on 7/15/09 at 9:49 am to simmons2112
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I've heard from several ex players about the hitting that went on. Hallman and Lynn Amadee thought they were The Bear and would have players hitting the whole way through the season (like two lines facing each other and 2 players hitting)....as punishment and as a Junction Boys kinda thing.
Difference is when The Bear-Junction Boys thing took place Bama had like 200 players on the team. You could stand to hit all season when you have a multitude of players......Hallman was as dumb as a box of hammers.
hmmmm.....I can hear Bugar screaming in the back ground......
yes, they would take 2 lineman and have them just t-off on one another with no real training on technique, but it was not really a punishment rather a standard drill to them.
They absolutely had the Junction Boy mentality.
There is even a pathetic story of a bandana and Pedro Saurez.......I wish Pedro would've busted his arse.
Posted on 7/15/09 at 9:53 am to simmons2112
An infuriating aspect of the Curley years (besides the fact that I was at LSU for all of them) is the fact that the '93 team was very talented and actually showed what they were capable of with the Alabama win.
Posted on 7/15/09 at 9:54 am to Pilot Tiger
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he would have had 3-4 good seasons at LSU then Florida would have plucked him anyway
I would have taken that as opposed to the 3 - 4 shitty seasons we had instead. I've heard Spurrior say some nice things about the head coaching job at LSU though, so I'm not positive he would have bolted once he was here for a while.
Posted on 7/15/09 at 9:56 am to Ralph_Wiggum
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I knew guys on the FB team during the Hallman years and people who worked in the athletics office. First, Hallman recruited some very talented players. Guys like Eddie Kennison, Denard Walker, Wade Richey, Tori James, Alan Faneca and others played in the NFL. The vast majority of guys on the team were good character guys. The majority of guys on the team liked Curley. Though it did seem he did play favorites. Never understood why Bret Beche got all those passes thrown at him when Eddie Kennison was on the team. I guess Bret ran "good routes".
Honestly, Curley was old school in his training and conditioning and how he ran practices I think in some losses the guys just lost their legs. If the other teams are making sure their guys are fresh it was a big difference and of course there were some stupid play calling by his OC. Jamie Howard got unfairly criticized for following the coaches plays. Plus Curley could never seem to really settled on a QB early in his career.
Yeah the thing that surprised me about Curley's habits is that Dale was a very attractive woman. She was MILF before the term even existed.
you have some validity in there. Truth be known, there was actually more hate for the position coaches (but Hallman was not all that favored). Also, you are very right on the over training.
QB issues? How about the coaches scolding the D during practice for even touching Jamie but when Chad stepped in, they had no problem with letting them t-off on him......yea, real classy.
With all the coaches pets, the perspectives you get will vary by player........your sources may have been pets.
Posted on 7/15/09 at 9:56 am to joetiger
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An infuriating aspect of the Curley years (besides the fact that I was at LSU for all of them) is the fact that the '93 team was very talented and actually showed what they were capable of with the Alabama win.
Yeah sadly those were my college years too. When Curley got here, I admit there was nothing here.....Archer had not recruited well obviously. I remember Hallman after he had been here a couple months even stating that he was shocked at how bad our team was. Curley recruited pretty well with some NFL caliber players on the team but he was just a dumbass....no other way to put it really.
Posted on 7/15/09 at 9:59 am to simmons2112
simmons, outside of the 1990 class, Archer's first 2 classes were very solid. In 1989 they were ranked in the top 10 nationally by Emfinger, Lemming, and Super Prep.....they only recruiting sources those days.
Hell, Ro Swan was the 1st and only Pre-season 1st team All SEC pick as a true freshman, Wes Jacobs was the top WR in Dixie, Kevin Mawae....., Chad Loup a Parade All-American, Harold Bishop a big time TE from AL, Jeff Cancienne from CURTIS was the #2 OT in the country, etc.
Hell, Ro Swan was the 1st and only Pre-season 1st team All SEC pick as a true freshman, Wes Jacobs was the top WR in Dixie, Kevin Mawae....., Chad Loup a Parade All-American, Harold Bishop a big time TE from AL, Jeff Cancienne from CURTIS was the #2 OT in the country, etc.
This post was edited on 7/15/09 at 10:02 am
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