re: Crowton with a real QB

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regardless, if j.j. improves by 5% completion % next year under g.c., are you going to give g.c. credit for that "development?"

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Well, he dropped over five percentage points this year, so do you hold Crowton responsible?

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Well, he dropped over five percentage points this year, so do you hold Crowton responsible?

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the offense also improved, so is crowton responsible?

j lee improved, is crowton responsible?

fact is, no matter who the o.c. is or was, these qb's didn't do anything significant.

Malzahn didn't look that good last year at AU did he?

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And why stop at the last four year? Why not look at his past coaching career? Oh, because it paints a very, very poor picture of Gary Crowton.

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I have already agreed with this. My point is that at LSU, an SEC school with tremendous overall talent on a consistent basis, he has not had a chance to reverse this trend AT LSU, and that has been 90+% because of latent ineptitude at the QB position.

And I also would prefer he be replaced.

But in fairness to Crowton, I do not think there is a QB developer or OC on the planet that could have milked much more out of the QB's we have had to work with. If you think so, then name the person, and tell me what real steps and measures they could have taken to overcome the latent core issues our QB's, notably JJ, have had? What is this magic you speak of? Give me something tangible other than generalized assertion.

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he has not had a chance to reverse this trend AT LSU.

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This is a naive opinion. So for a decade he has consistently ruined offenses and made his QBs look like garbage, but he may have changed and we just don't know because our QBs look like garbage?

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But in fairness to Crowton, I do not think there is a QB developer or OC on the planet that could have milked much more out of the QB's we have had to work with.

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I'll take that bet.

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If you think so, then name the person, and tell me what real steps and measures they could have taken to overcome the latent core issues our QB's, notably JJ, have had?

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Malzahn - Chris Todd is not as good as either Jefferson or Lee.

I could list another 30 if I felt like taking the time.

It's not magic; it's scheme. Stop forcing the ball between the defense and the sidelines and let your QB attack the middle of the field. LBs and safeties don't cover as well as CBs, so attack them. No LB in the SEC can match up against Randle or Toliver, yet we force the ball to the sidelines. The defense simply pinches us against the sideline and makes our passing lanes non-existent. Have you not noticed that our receivers are never open?

Yet, we when attack the middle of the field consistently (Alabama and Ole Miss), we move the ball.

No obviously, this isn't the only problem; it's just a glaring problem with Crowton's offense.

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Sure. Way to go Gary. You moved us up from 112 to 89. Congratulations.


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j lee improved, is crowton responsible?




I'm not sure how much Lee improved. And, he did train on his own all summer in Texas.

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if they improve, it's the player, if they don't, it's the coach. if they improve under a different coach, it's the coach.

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So you don't think having a different O.C. would have made a difference?

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i don't know. i view lsu's problems on offense the last two years as a combination of many things. not just one. 1) poor offensive line play. (attrition had a big part. mccoy, loadholt, jarvis jones, z thomas ect had an effect. 2) qb attrition had a big part. ryan p could have made a difference in 08 and 09. 3)louisiana not producing many qb's or o-linemen had an effect. 4)wr's dropping balls had an effect. 5) coaching had an effect. 6)injuries had an effect.

all these things combined worked against us. not just one thing.

my issue with crowton has nothing to do about the plays called. i think when the line blocks well, the wr catches the ball, and the qb throws a good ball, the offense was pretty good. My issue is his recruiting. i view him as a weak recruiter. i think he's like most o.c's, they do well when they have the peaces and not so well when they don't. you don't coach at all levels for as long as he has and not know how to coach. that's just my opinion since you asked.

Sure. Way to go Gary. You moved us up from 112 to 89. Congratulations

And maybe next year we will move to say... 80 wow

I'll take a bet with anyone that if crowton sticks around (hopefully not) he'll have LSU right back in the 80's-100's ranked in offense.

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I'll take a bet with anyone that if crowton sticks around (hopefully not) he'll have LSU right back in the 80's-100's ranked in offense.

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Is JJ your QB for most of the snaps? If so, no effin way anyone would ever take this bet. That would be outlandish. If Mett is reasonably good and is the starter for most of the snaps/season, sign me effing up. We'll finish in the top 60, and possibly top 40 in Mett's first year. His real passing threat and quick release will open the hell out of the passing game, not to mention he will not steal carries from Ridley/Ford/Ware, opening up more running yardage also.

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Sure. Way to go Gary. You moved us up from 112 to 89. Congratulations

And maybe next year we will move to say... 80 wow

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this was in response to the people talking about the stellar improvement todd and crompton made under another o.c. from their jr to Sr. year.

one, they both split time with another qb in their jr. year. Two, check out their improvement. 5% improvement on comp %. not huge improvement. can't really compare yards due to splitting time.

therefore, if you want that comparison and your standard is marginal improvement for a marginal player, then shouldn't crowton get the same credit for the marginal improvement of lee and the offense?