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Yes and you left out another reason. Texas has played NOBODY so far this year! UTEP may literally be the best team they have played until today.
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I don't care if LSU goes after punts or not, but you bring up a pet peeve of mine indirectly. IF you don't try to block punts, use twin safeties like everyone used to use. I guess you lose one player off one of the "gunners" but the decision making of the punt returner is much better because the other guy is going to yell "don't you dare catch that punt...you are at the 3 yard line." And if the punt returner fumbles you have someone back there to recover the ball.
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Man we are loading up on DL.
Blackmon DT, Allen, Bates, & Maclin will be DEs, maybe J.R. Ferguson since LSU is now in his top 2 or 3, etc. BTW, LSU doesn't need a ton of DL after signing what...6 last year. Plus they redshirted Chancy A. and Edwards the year before and are only RS FR. Davenport coming up, Logan coming up, Brockers coming up, JUCO Hicks will be redshirted, Montgomery coming up, Downs playing as TR FR, Clement a RS FR, etc. LSU isn't exactly poor in the DT/DE department. Add in the ones who are verbals already.
But Porter will move to OL...I think Marsh will if he is signed...Fordham is already just about a C lock from TE position...Hardrick from JUCO an OL. I would like one more OL with the big attrition lately...either D. Robinson or Stone.
re: Is Elliot Porter a DT or OL prospect
Posted by Tomm on 10/16/09 at 6:46 pm to seinfeldtiger
Yes, and many times you don't have to move them much from DL to OL because they played both positions in HS. Calvin Barnett (recruited by LSU and verbal to Okie State I think) has ESPN video clips playing both sides of the ball and so does Cassius Marsh the DT being recruited by LSU. I haven't looked at Porter's clips yet on ESPN. I still think Marsh if he signs with LSU (or anyone else for that matter) might end up at OG instead of DT, but Porter is already being pretty much mentioned as a definite OL at LSU.
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All of that drivel and you left off what EVERYONE'S #1 priority should be, FILM. Not highlights, but actual game film. I'll take film over what a guy does at a camp with an under armour shirt and shorts on any day. The guy's a reach AT BEST and pretty much a downright whiff when you look at the guy's LSU passed on to offer him.
My post was not drivel but I do agree that film was SOME value, but not as much as you claimed for the following reasons:
1) Film has some of the same problems as just highlight clips. How good is the team they are playing? How good of condition is the field in (not always obvious? What scheme is each team using? Was the kid ill the week of that game? etc, etc, etc.
2) Second, some players never get on film to any degree. Morris Claiborne for example came from the poor school of Fair Park in Shreveport. It took forever for ESPN to even get highlights of the guy. I later saw the Fair Park coach's explanation...the school doesn't have the money to afford video equipment that many schools have.
Too many variables and not enough inside info. Thanks but no thanks on film being #1 source.
Anyway, I have no problem with the scholarship offer because he has been to an LSU camp. And Selma has the same problem that Fair Park had...a very poor school. I would put your film deal on the list somewhere but not at the top like you would. Coaches get paid the big $ to evaluate talent. And like I said, too many guys have very limited film period due to coming from poor schools with little/no video equipment.
re: Dexter Blackmon now rated #61 DT
Posted by Tomm on 10/16/09 at 5:23 pm to ProjectP2294
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You do realize that you are calling a first team All-SEC QB a bust, right?
Yes, I remember him making ONE of the All-SEC teams (coaches or writers, I don't think he made both). But even at the time, I thought what in the hell are they thinking! That is why I don't put a lot of stock in All-SEC teams. For example on the coaches' team who in the world can a coach vote for/against a player that he never even saw in a game. Since the SEC doesn't play everybody in the conference, there are 3 teams each year that an SEC coach doesn't even play. Might as well throw a dart against the wall right?
The guy did nothing to impress me with his career at LSU and his brother Abram Booty (WR) I think his name was had a short career with LSU due to a back injury I believe.
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Marsh's ESPN clips are schizoid. On the second clip in his sequence, 55 PANCAKES the guy (#71) like IHOP...man, that was bad, but to his credit he gets up and is in a little on the play. Then, the second to last clip, he looks great with nice penetration and a brutal tackle.
But you know what...I will be curious to know if he ends up on offense or defense. A bunch of his clips are on offense, and he looked a little more consistent to me as an OL than a DL. As a DL, he looks a little tardy to the play sometimes. ESPN mentioned he wasn't one to break into the backfield...they can say that again!
OG or DT....hmmmm, I don't know!
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I dont think he plays low enough to be a DT unless all the players in HS he is going against are very short. Not an expert just looking at the film.
Marsh's ESPN clips are schizoid. On the second clip in his sequence, 55 PANCAKES the guy (#71) like IHOP...man, that was bad, but to his credit he gets up and is in a little on the play. Then, the second to last clip, he looks great with nice penetration and a brutal tackle.
But you know what...I will be curious to know if he ends up on offense or defense. A bunch of his clips are on offense, and he looked a little more consistent to me as an OL than a DL. As a DL, he looks a little tardy to the play sometimes. ESPN mentioned he wasn't one to break into the backfield...they can say that again!
OG or DT....hmmmm, I don't know!
Josh Booty is a superb reference. He was co-player of the year out of HS with Peyton Manning and I thought shouldn't have even been the #1 QB at LSU when he started. I believe it was Booty, Nall, and Rohan Davey, and I thought Rohan Davey was better at QB than Josh Booty ever dreamed of being. And Booty did squat in the NFL, which isn't maybe a gauge of his college career, but IMO he was a major bust up there with Ron Powlus (national player of the year who went to Notre Dame). Of course there are tons other like Todd Marinovich or whatever (Robo QB that everybody hyped up as being so hot and did squat).
What I like about him that came across on the videos was that he seems to see the field well. Right now, he seems to see the holes/possible areas to run and which way to cut a lot better than say Charles Scott or Keiland Williams do. Quite a few posters (and I would be one of them) have never thought that Scott or Williams are exactly "run to daylight" runners. Watch this Gore guy and he takes a different path every time.
Cuts to the sidelines
Runs straight up the middle to slide between the defenders.
Goes left and then cutbacks to the right.
Gore right and then cutbacks to the left.
Of course he is faster than Hester but much smaller, but thinking back about it, how many first downs that Jacob Hester picked up that Charles Scott or Keiland Williams would not have picked up. Remember the key play in OT? I think against Kentucky 2 years ago. Hester got "nicked" as Les would call it and was out of the game late. Scott gets hit from the side and goes down to end LSU's chances in the game as they didn't get the first down. No way, Hester goes down on the play, probably isn't even touched. Hester sidesteps to the left and guy diving probably doesn't even hit him.
Guys like Hester and hopefully Gore see the field well...that is not a strength of either Scott or Williams.
Cuts to the sidelines
Runs straight up the middle to slide between the defenders.
Goes left and then cutbacks to the right.
Gore right and then cutbacks to the left.
Of course he is faster than Hester but much smaller, but thinking back about it, how many first downs that Jacob Hester picked up that Charles Scott or Keiland Williams would not have picked up. Remember the key play in OT? I think against Kentucky 2 years ago. Hester got "nicked" as Les would call it and was out of the game late. Scott gets hit from the side and goes down to end LSU's chances in the game as they didn't get the first down. No way, Hester goes down on the play, probably isn't even touched. Hester sidesteps to the left and guy diving probably doesn't even hit him.
Guys like Hester and hopefully Gore see the field well...that is not a strength of either Scott or Williams.
No sir my fault, I had it flipped. I said he was 4* on Scouts and 3* on Rivals and he is 3* on Scouts and 4* on Rivals. I guess which one you trust more is whether it is better or worse than my original statement. :lol:
re: Dexter Blackmon now rated #61 DT
Posted by Tomm on 10/16/09 at 4:42 pm to TigerInAtx
My priority list for trusting evaluation of talent:
1) LSU camps where coaches are allowed to work them out
2) I've personally seen the guy play in HS like Zach Lee or Chancey A. (Ok, I probably am really #1 but wanted to appear humble :lol: )
Wait for it....
Wait for it...
Wait for it...
Wait for it...
3) Recruiting services whose ratings are questionable many, many times
Josh Booty, Ron Powlus, Xavier Carter, Xavier Lee, Morris Claiborne (will be proven), Jacob Hester and literally thousands of players they have missed on the last couple of decades
1) LSU camps where coaches are allowed to work them out
2) I've personally seen the guy play in HS like Zach Lee or Chancey A. (Ok, I probably am really #1 but wanted to appear humble :lol: )
Wait for it....
Wait for it...
Wait for it...
Wait for it...
3) Recruiting services whose ratings are questionable many, many times
Josh Booty, Ron Powlus, Xavier Carter, Xavier Lee, Morris Claiborne (will be proven), Jacob Hester and literally thousands of players they have missed on the last couple of decades
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If he doesn't use it then it's like he doesn't have it. Trindon might be fast but those Green and Davis (and Rainey and Demps and James) are what they are b/c they can make people miss. Trindon needs a wide open lane b/c if he gets touched, he's going down.
:bow: :bow: Perfect description...agree 100%.
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Trindon is faster, but doesn't show a ton of lateral quickness for a guy his size IMHO FWIW PIIHB.
TH simply has fantastic straighaway speed and that is it. He goes down when someone tugs on his shirt because he is so small and amazingly he has almost 0 cutback or shiftiness. I will however put him way, way, way ahead of Xavier Carter who was one of the most overrated football players I ever saw at LSU. He simply didn't like the contact and so did nothing but dance around or go out of bounds. TH is a football player IMO but simply not a very good one, which is why Rivals rated him a low 3* out of HS (5.5 I believe). If he can't run around people he is toast, because he isn't afraid, but simply doesn't have the moves. Gore is much, much better than TH could ever dream of being and is a 4*, maybe even a medium level 4* player.
Gore is underrated...watch his clips on ESPN site
Posted by Tomm on 10/16/09 at 1:39 pm
First, hard to believe that guy is supposedly only around 160 lbs. He certainly drags some tacklers on multiple clips around. Second, if he is 4.6 40 like I've seen on a couple of sites, then some of those 4.6 times for other players must be 4.8. In clip after clip he is running around everybody or between two guys trying to converge from both sides on him.
And the really funny thing is Rivals and ESPN have him as a 3* although Scouts I believe has him a 4*. 3* really? I don't think so. On Rivals scale, he is a minimum 5.8 which is a low 4* and I might put him a 5.9. He is one of the quickest RBs I have seen on those clips. And ESPN says he has good second level speed but hasn't shown explosive speed. Tell that to the umteen teams featured on those clips. Of course, these are highlight videos but when you do outrun everybody on defense and you do it to team after team since the clips are from many different games as proved by the uniforms, then I say to ESPN, watch your own clips and find any guy who came close to not only catching him but even just not losing any ground during the chase. None of them ever did.
Bottom line, I'm glad to hear the LSU is now #1 on his list just like Marsh. I think both players are underrated, although Marsh the DT has been raised lately on Rivals to 4* just like he has been on Scouts but I believe he is still rated a 3* on ESPN.
And the really funny thing is Rivals and ESPN have him as a 3* although Scouts I believe has him a 4*. 3* really? I don't think so. On Rivals scale, he is a minimum 5.8 which is a low 4* and I might put him a 5.9. He is one of the quickest RBs I have seen on those clips. And ESPN says he has good second level speed but hasn't shown explosive speed. Tell that to the umteen teams featured on those clips. Of course, these are highlight videos but when you do outrun everybody on defense and you do it to team after team since the clips are from many different games as proved by the uniforms, then I say to ESPN, watch your own clips and find any guy who came close to not only catching him but even just not losing any ground during the chase. None of them ever did.
Bottom line, I'm glad to hear the LSU is now #1 on his list just like Marsh. I think both players are underrated, although Marsh the DT has been raised lately on Rivals to 4* just like he has been on Scouts but I believe he is still rated a 3* on ESPN.
Gotta go run some errands but please, don't let me stop the mindless, delusional banter. But psst, saying the same garbage over and over, at the end of the day, those opinions are still trash.
And Jefferson was the Off MVP of the Peach Bowl with an outstanding performance.
re: So, now LSU has 2 mind-fricked QBs?
Posted by Tomm on 10/16/09 at 10:15 am to Prominentwon
Answered a similar post by saying "with this OL, 7 TDs and 3 INTs is great after 6 games."
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So would you say that the JJ we have this year is the same one that was MVP of the Peach Bowl?
Hard to tell when the OL is playing matador blocking games and the running game is nonexistent and Crowton won't call misdirection plays to help the situation.
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I can just put something in a quote and say I've said it.
I believe the last time I mentioned the 30% was last night before today's mention. BTW, do I hear another challenge coming.
I will FIND at least one instance before today where I used the 30% number if you will leave the forum forever? Put up or shut up time but I know what your answer is going to be. BTW, I will find MULTIPLE uses of that number....accept?
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Maybe so but not in this case. JJ is an inaccurate passer.
Proven wrong by his 63% completion rate and 7 TDs vs 3 INTs.
5-1 with a much, much better OL last year. Oh, and 6 games in the schedule was easier...no Washington which is better than any OOC game last year and only 3 SEC games in the first 6 instead of 4 out of 6 this year. Much tougher schedule so far.
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