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re: Creative ProStyle Offense - Difference btwn Bama & LSU (or Saban & Miles)
Posted on 11/8/15 at 9:53 pm to STEVED00
Posted on 11/8/15 at 9:53 pm to STEVED00
Watch what Michigan St does. They have utilized a pro style offense with a power running game and a dominant defense (before Narduzzi left).
They have passed for at least 2900 yards and 23 TDs in 5 of the last 6 years and are 500 yards and 2 TDs away from doing it again this year. They have passed for at least 3400 yards and 26 TDs 3 of the past 6 years and are 900 yards and 5 TDs away from doing it again this year.
You know what the best part about that is? They run the ball too! That's despite the fact that they have averaged 423 passes per year the last 6 years. They have averaged 501 carries over the last 6 years. There has only been 2 years in the past 6 that they didn't have a 1200 yard 12 TD leading rusher and one of those years, the leading rusher had 950 yards and 13 TDs (backup had over 660 and 5 TDs).
Their QBs also have at least been mobile and not statues.
They know offensive line play well.
LSU is afraid of letting their QBs loose and play too slow and conservative. Dantonio is about to put his 3rd QB in 7 years, into the league. Hoyer, Cousins, and now Cook. Hoyer and Cousins have been valuable backups. something our QBs could never do in the league. Flynn had like one good game. You know what's funny? The guy that transfered from his program to play in Arizona, was Nick Foles. Yet another decent NFL QB (he's not going to go off, but he's alright).
Michigan St's philosophy with our talent would have us as mini NFL team.
They have passed for at least 2900 yards and 23 TDs in 5 of the last 6 years and are 500 yards and 2 TDs away from doing it again this year. They have passed for at least 3400 yards and 26 TDs 3 of the past 6 years and are 900 yards and 5 TDs away from doing it again this year.
You know what the best part about that is? They run the ball too! That's despite the fact that they have averaged 423 passes per year the last 6 years. They have averaged 501 carries over the last 6 years. There has only been 2 years in the past 6 that they didn't have a 1200 yard 12 TD leading rusher and one of those years, the leading rusher had 950 yards and 13 TDs (backup had over 660 and 5 TDs).
Their QBs also have at least been mobile and not statues.
They know offensive line play well.
LSU is afraid of letting their QBs loose and play too slow and conservative. Dantonio is about to put his 3rd QB in 7 years, into the league. Hoyer, Cousins, and now Cook. Hoyer and Cousins have been valuable backups. something our QBs could never do in the league. Flynn had like one good game. You know what's funny? The guy that transfered from his program to play in Arizona, was Nick Foles. Yet another decent NFL QB (he's not going to go off, but he's alright).
Michigan St's philosophy with our talent would have us as mini NFL team.
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Posted on 11/8/15 at 9:53 pm to STEVED00
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The talent gap is not that wide if at all. LSU is always in the top 5 as well.
LSU has as many or more players in the pros. Talent is not the issue.
A few years I definitely would've agreed with you. Now, Bama has more talent but not leaps and bounds more talent. But, Bama's player development is definitely leaps and bounds better.
Posted on 11/8/15 at 10:38 pm to jumpup123
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Posted on 11/8/15 at 10:44 pm to STEVED00
Saban learned a lesson against Ole Miss. My guess is they won't lose another game and end up in the final four.
Posted on 11/8/15 at 10:55 pm to STEVED00
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We will continue to lose to Bama unless we gain a superior recruiting advantage which seems unlikely
I disagree we will continue to lose to Bama until Miles is not predictable on offense, it truly is as simple as that. When the defense knows basically what you are going to run 45% of the plays "20 of 45 plays were runs between the tackles" you make it extremely easy to defend if your talent is on par which Bama's is!
Posted on 11/8/15 at 11:00 pm to STEVED00
The DL and OL has a huge talent differential for Alabama. I agree we probably have better skill guys topnto bottom but in the trenches we are not even close
Posted on 11/8/15 at 11:36 pm to AR_Tiger
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The DL and OL has a huge talent differential for Alabama. I agree we probably have better skill guys topnto bottom but in the trenches we are not even close
Exactly. Bama is clearly better on both lines. LSU is clearly better at all of the skill positions IMO. We decided we wanted to play our weak parts against their strong parts. :/
Posted on 11/8/15 at 11:42 pm to STEVED00
I think you are spot on about the talent being somewhat equal. The problem is they have a lot more of it. Bama rotates with 5 stars at every position. Their recruiting machine is out of control and nobody is catching that until something derails it. It is not even close. Saban actually game plans too.
Posted on 11/8/15 at 11:47 pm to stingercj7
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I think you are spot on about the talent being somewhat equal. The problem is they have a lot more of it. Bama rotates with 5 stars at every position. Their recruiting machine is out of control and nobody is catching that until something derails it. It is not even close. Saban actually game plans too.
Then explain how Ole Miss beat them two times in a row.
Explain how Tenn was leading going into the 4th quarter.
How did these far less talented teams compete at all?
Posted on 11/8/15 at 11:49 pm to CajunAlum Tiger Fan
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Saban lost to Ohio St and Ole Miss BECAUSE he abandoned his offensive style. I disagree with any premise that Bama has changed their offense at all. It's always been run based with easy passes, never asking the QB to do much. Last year was an outlier because Coker couldn't get it done, so they spread it out a little with Sims.
They win because they have better players in almost every position. It's no big secret.
This in bold is why they win. Their coaching staff adapts their offense to compliment what their players do best instead of trying to force them to execute a gameplan that doesn't fit them.
Posted on 11/8/15 at 11:52 pm to tiggerthetooth
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This post was edited on 11/9/15 at 12:04 am
Posted on 11/8/15 at 11:58 pm to tiggerthetooth
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Then explain how Ole Miss beat them two times in a row.
Explain how Tenn was leading going into the 4th quarter.
How did these far less talented teams compete at all?
Pointless to mention this. All you're going to get is excuses about how they don't give their all against those teams like they do against us or that they have far more talent than us, etc. people would rather criticize the talent on our roster than to place the blame on the people that are paid a fortune to prepare the players and set them up to succeed. I am starting to think that no one wants to admit it's on Miles because he wins just enough to keep himself off of the hot seat and its not likely he's gonna be fired.
Posted on 11/9/15 at 12:04 am to PortCityTiger82
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I am starting to think that no one wants to admit it's on Miles because he wins just enough to keep himself off of the hot seat and its not likely he's gonna be fired.
Some people on here, yes. They call themselves "true fans", and will blame everything under the sun except Miles himself.
Its obvious Miles is the constant in EVERYTHING. It starts and ends with him.
I promise you, without a doubt, LSU will run the majority of their plays next week out of the dumb as frick I-Formation. Its a gaddum certainty. I fricking hate that formation with every bone in my body. It doesnt out our best skill guys on the field, and forces the OL to block far more guys than they are capable of blocking, and it makes it EXTRAORDINARILY easy for the DL to stop (they just have to push forward.....no thinking necessary).
Posted on 11/9/15 at 12:18 am to STEVED00
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The talent between the 2 schools is essentially a wash
that part is absolutely untrue. Alabama has a huge talent advantage and much more talented depth.
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super recruiters Orgeron and Steele).
Bama has the ultimate super recruiter in Nick Saben
Everyone already knows we need a more modern/creative offense whether you want to call it pro style or not doesn't matter
Posted on 11/9/15 at 2:45 am to STEVED00
quote:No we don't. No he's not.
We have one. Harris is a superior player to Coker.
Harris has no short-medium range passing game. Can't read defenses and can't go through progressions to find secondary receivers.
Just a more physically talented version of AJ.
6/19 against Bama.
Yeah, much more "Superior." Superior athlete maybe, but not a superior quarterback. There's a difference.........
Posted on 11/9/15 at 6:25 am to Datbayoubengal
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Michigan State Dantonio
I've said this is our guy for a few years now. If Miles goes this is who we need to go out and get. Look at what he does with far less recruiting and facilities.
Posted on 11/9/15 at 6:53 am to STEVED00
Even the best recruiting is stymied by the arrogance of a head coach.
Posted on 11/9/15 at 7:03 am to STEVED00
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We have one. Harris is a superior player to Coker.
Really? You still think that?
Posted on 11/9/15 at 7:05 am to STEVED00
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The talent gap is not that wide if at all. LSU is always in the top 5 as well.
Did you actually watch the game?
Posted on 11/9/15 at 7:10 am to STEVED00
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Harris is a superior player to Coker.
I agree with you - except where are the QB runs? And, his short and intermediate games need a lot of work, still.
All the talent in the world is useless if not utilized properly.
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