re: Could Miles have done what Saban did at LSU?

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You could argue that Saban's true genius is knowing the perfect time to take over a respective program. This isn't a knock on him either because I think there's definitely something to be said for being able to identify that situation and take advantage of it to the fullest.

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This has to be the case as $abun has never stayed anywhere long enough to prove otherwise.

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Could Miles have done what Saban did at LSU?

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Probably not.

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Could Miles have done what Saban did at LSU?

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I don't think Miles is a "turnaround" coach. He can recruit and coach - no doubt about that to me. He did do a nice job at Okie State with a down program, but I'm not sure that's his specialty.

What Saban, Emmert, and Skip did was pretty impressive. Saban looked at his Michigan State experience - second tier Big 10 and in Michigan - and was allowed to apply it to LSU to make it first tier. Skip and Emmert went along with it - massive facilities upgrades and implementation of ticket pricing policies to support it.

I'm not sure many coaches would've come in and approached the job the way Saban did. He made LSU a competitive, national sell to recruits. It's not enough to put a net around Louisiana to be top tier (although it's a helluva start).

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Surely, no other coach could have performed such a Herculean task at LSU. Thus, Saban is better than Miles because Miles could have never done it. No coach could have done it at LSU.

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Pure unadulterated 400% bullshite.

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Surely, no other coach could have performed such a Herculean task at LSU. Thus, Saban is better than Miles because Miles could have never done it. No coach could have done it at LSU.

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Pure unadulterated 400% bullshite.

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100% correct.

Spin it how you want it, your data set excludes Saban taking over the Michigan State program which was on probation and turning it around, too. And what about what he is doing at Bama? DuBose, Franchione, and Shula seemed to have struggled at Bama, why is Saban so successful there when others couldn't be? Franchione failed at his next stop, TX A&M, too and he was known as a program builder. Franchione seemed to find too much challenge in trying to rebuild Bama and bolted to a worse program.

You argument is silly, no one will ever know the outcome.

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we won 10 games already..... But I do not see the next two games as a done deal.

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Not yet...But unless he loses the rest of his games including the bowl game (not likely) he will have over 50 wins in 5 years....which is 10+ wins a season. Do the math.

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No other coach could have convinced the fanbase they know NOTHING about football..it goes back to his first speech and the "brook trout" routine.. basically he put the fans in the place he wanted them and that was NEVER question the coach..

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That's another interesting point, because you can tell who the folks are who are too young (or too green on following LSU football) to know better as to what it was like before Saban came along, as they are the one's who take this point as gospel about the status of LSU program before
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I don't think Miles is a "turnaround" coach. He can recruit and coach - no doubt about that to me. He did do a nice job at Okie State with a down program, but I'm not sure that's his specialty.

What Saban, Emmert, and Skip did was pretty impressive. Saban looked at his Michigan State experience - second tier Big 10 and in Michigan - and was allowed to apply it to LSU to make it first tier. Skip and Emmert went along with it - massive facilities upgrades and implementation of ticket pricing policies to support it.

I'm not sure many coaches would've come in and approached the job the way Saban did. He made LSU a competitive, national sell to recruits. It's not enough to put a net around Louisiana to be top tier (although it's a helluva start).

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Saban didn't have to do this much work at Bama when he came. The massive, multimillion dollar upgrades where already done, Shula recruited some pretty good players, he just couldn't develope them. Saban has made Bama competitive again, and he basically out worked Tuberville to take the top talent in the state.