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re: Congrats to LSU, O, and the staff for the #3 2019 recruiting class !!

Posted on 2/12/19 at 11:53 am to
Posted by Buckeye Jeaux
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Posted on 2/12/19 at 11:53 am to
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Have you thought it just a really weird "hill to die on"?

Pretty sure that hackneyed "hill to die on" phrase got voted off every site on the internet more than 2 years ago.
This post was edited on 2/12/19 at 11:55 am
Posted by tigerfoot
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Posted on 2/12/19 at 11:56 am to
We are s baseball and basketball school now.

Check back in July
Posted by Buckeye Jeaux
Member since May 2018
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Posted on 2/12/19 at 11:59 am to
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We are s baseball and basketball school now.
Those are round-ball activities.
Posted by Bayou_Tiger_225
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Posted on 2/12/19 at 12:02 pm to
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It was only after you pointed out that the 247 composite is a composite of player rankings and not team rankings that he switched gears to save face.
Bingo.
Posted by Buckeye Jeaux
Member since May 2018
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Posted on 2/12/19 at 12:11 pm to
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It was only after you pointed out that the 247 composite is a composite of player rankings and not team rankings that he switched gears to save face.

Nice try. No one outside 24/7 knows what player rankings got in and what ones did not. 24/7 has a proprietary algorithm Sammy certainly doesn't know. Neither do you. Quit pretending you have inside info. You don't. All you have is the gobledygook that 24/7 posts for the gullible public.

And it appears that ESPN's player rankings for Feb 6 signings did NOT make it in as ESPN only listed 21 players for LSU after Feb 6.
This post was edited on 2/12/19 at 12:19 pm
Posted by bencoleman
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Posted on 2/12/19 at 12:15 pm to
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This dude is such a clown



I would imagine that anyone that's been arguing about a spot or two or a star or 2 in this thread could claim that name.
Posted by Buckeye Jeaux
Member since May 2018
17756 posts
Posted on 2/12/19 at 12:17 pm to
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I would imagine that anyone that's been arguing about a spot or two or a star or 2 in this thread could claim that name.


They've called you that countless times, so you ought to know.
This post was edited on 2/12/19 at 12:18 pm
Posted by SammyTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2009
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Posted on 2/12/19 at 12:20 pm to
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And it appears that ESPN's player rankings for FE 6 signings did NOT make it in as ESPN only listed 21 players for LSU after Feb 6.


Again. Our Composite Class includes Lee, Ward, Fonua, and Little and gets credit for their composite player ranking.

Which includes ESPN.

The class ranking is based on thenplayers not the other schools team rankings.

I admitni Don’t know their algorhythm, but I knownits Based on 3 sets of opinions instead of 1.
This post was edited on 2/12/19 at 12:21 pm
Posted by lsufball19
Franklin, TN
Member since Sep 2008
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Posted on 2/12/19 at 12:21 pm to
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No one outside 24/7 knows what player rankings got in and what ones did not. 24/7 has a proprietary algorithm

While somewhat true, this is pulled straight from their website
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The 247Sports Composite Rating is a proprietary algorithm that compiles prospect "rankings" and "ratings" listed in the public domain by the major media recruiting services. It converts average industry ranks and ratings into a linear composite index capping at 1.0000, which indicates a consensus No. 1 prospect across all services.

The 247Sports Composite Rating is the industry's most comprehensive and unbiased prospect ranking and is also used to generate 247Sports Team Recruiting Rankings.

More details ...

All major media services share an equal percentage in the 247Sports Composite Rating.

The composite index equally weights this percentage among the services that participate in a ranking for that specific prospect.

A composite strength meter, indicated by red bars, illustrates the total number of industry services that have ranked the prospect. A full strength meter indicates the prospect has been ranked by all industry services participating in the composite.


So for the sake of argument, if a player has been rated by all the different services, then all those services are weighed equally when calculating the composite ranking. For teams in the top 10 in recruiting, they aren't going to have players that weren't ranked by everyone. That would be more applicable to your low ranked players who may not be ranked by one or more services. Schools in the top 10 don't typically sign players like that.

One thing, however, is it doesn't state which services specifically are used in their algorithm, only that all services are weighed equally.

Really the only argument to be made is there may be slight changes once ESPN finally updates their rankings to account for players that signed their LOI on NSD.

But really you're all just arguing semantics. Alabama and UGA are a clear #1 and #2. The difference in #2 UGA and #3 Texas is bigger than the difference between #3 Texas and #13 Penn State. The difference between #3 Texas and #5 LSU is no more than like half a star for one player. The strength of those #3-5 classes (Texas, LSU, A&M) are basically the same. So anyone trying to argue who had a better class is just arguing to argue.

I think what some are pointing out is there have been arguments that rested on where LSU ranks, pursuant to their 247 composite, in the SEC West. I have seen more than one person, in a way to downplay the strength of the class, say LSU only finished 3rd in their own division. That is one person taking one ranking system and using it to try to strengthen an argument. None of these services are an exact science. The difference between the classes of A&M and LSU are highly negligible. The only takeway is Alabama had far and away the best class, as they have almost every single year since Saban has been there. The separation between them and UGA is bigger than #3 and #8.

But when we're discussing one or two total points in a class, it's rather silly to try to stake claim to some arbitrary, subjective ranking. Bottom line, this was a very good class. Now it is up to all these coaches with good class rankings to develop the players they signed because no one will care 3-4 years from now how these players were rated coming out of high school.

However, I do wish there was some way to have an updated ranking in the fall to account for JUCO players and transfers. The most important recruit LSU had last year was Burrow, a transfer, but he wouldn't show up in any of these rankings people love to hang their hats on.
This post was edited on 2/12/19 at 12:32 pm
Posted by Lester Earl
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Posted on 2/12/19 at 12:23 pm to
The fact that you said you love this class & continue to argue this stupid shite is sad Sammy
Posted by SammyTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2009
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Posted on 2/12/19 at 12:24 pm to
It’s not about this class.

It’s sorta about precedent

Mostly about arguing.

And admittly sorta sad.
Posted by Buckeye Jeaux
Member since May 2018
17756 posts
Posted on 2/12/19 at 12:24 pm to
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Again. Our Composite Class includes Lee, Ward, Fonua, and Little and gets credit for their composite player ranking.

Which includes ESPN.

Again, you have no specific knowledge of how 24/7 computes their rankings. You have only the vague references that 24/7 makes to the public regarding their proprietary algorithms.

There is nothing special about 24/7. They are as biased as the rest of them, and you know it.
Posted by UpToPar
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2008
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Posted on 2/12/19 at 12:27 pm to
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No one outside 24/7 knows what player rankings got in and what ones did not. 24/7 has a proprietary algorithm Sammy certainly doesn't know. Neither do you. Quit pretending you have inside info. You don't. All you have is the gobledygook that 24/7 posts for the gullible public.


Right. All we know is that it’s some sort of average of the major recruiting service’s player rankings which, again, is likely to be more accurate than any one subjective ranking.

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And it appears that ESPN's player rankings for Feb 6 signings did NOT make it in as ESPN only listed 21 players for LSU after Feb 6.


What does this have to do with 247’s composite ranking?
Posted by SammyTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2009
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Posted on 2/12/19 at 12:27 pm to
In their ranking yes

The composite doesn’t weigh their ranking higher than any others.

Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 2/12/19 at 12:30 pm to
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The fact that you said you love this class & continue to argue this stupid shite is sad Sammy



Hes simply a contrarian, which isnt a badge of honor.
Posted by SammyTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2009
76043 posts
Posted on 2/12/19 at 12:30 pm to
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Hes simply a contrarian, which isnt a badge of honor.


Am not
Posted by Buckeye Jeaux
Member since May 2018
17756 posts
Posted on 2/12/19 at 12:33 pm to
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One thing, however, is it doesn't state which services specifically are used in their algorithm, only that all services are weighed equally.
Exactly. Who defines what a "major service" is? One that is well known to the general public? One that is private but well accepted by major programs? How many are there?

The whole "proprietary algorithm" scam is a joke to serious mathematicians and statisticians. The American Association of Mathematicians wrote a paper shitblasting Sagarin and the BCS for exactly this same "proprietary algorithm" scam. It helped bring down the BCS.

This post was edited on 2/12/19 at 12:36 pm
Posted by SammyTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2009
76043 posts
Posted on 2/12/19 at 12:36 pm to
How does Rivals calculate a 6.1 rating?

We’re not arguing which is statistically perfect, but your arguing Rivals vs the composite.

So make 1 real argument for Rivals.
Posted by Buckeye Jeaux
Member since May 2018
17756 posts
Posted on 2/12/19 at 12:38 pm to
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We’re not arguing which is statistically perfect, but your arguing Rivals vs the composite.

So make 1 real argument for Rivals.

You've asked this question numerous times. And I've answered it numerous times. All the mass-consumption recruiting services are biased. Rivals and 24/7 absolutely included.
This post was edited on 2/12/19 at 12:39 pm
Posted by SammyTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2009
76043 posts
Posted on 2/12/19 at 12:41 pm to
You can’t tell me why Rivals is better. All your answer just shite talk 24/7
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