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re: Congrats to LSU, O, and the staff for the #3 2019 recruiting class !!
Posted on 2/12/19 at 11:12 am to SammyTiger
Posted on 2/12/19 at 11:12 am to SammyTiger
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The Composite Team rankings are NOT just an average of the Rivals, ESPN and 24/7 class rankings.
No they are not. But to be taken seriously by statisticians or mathematicians, the MUST be verifiable. And since they ARE NOT verifiable, they are just some dude's opinion. And easily manipulated to please the clients/funders of the service.
This post was edited on 2/12/19 at 11:14 am
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Posted on 2/12/19 at 11:13 am to Buckeye Jeaux
Can you variety how rivals comes up with their #?
Posted on 2/12/19 at 11:18 am to SammyTiger
quote:Rivals is also heavily biased toward their clients/funders.
Can you variety how rivals comes up with their #?
Bottom line: All the services do a decent job of spotlighting the blue-chip players. And Rivals' rankings are as good as any. And again, all are biased - 24/7's Phony Composite included.
Posted on 2/12/19 at 11:25 am to Buckeye Jeaux
24/7 just averages the player ratings for each player.
We get credit for all our commit’s composite rating.
Go look at our class and you can verify with our average rating, which includes the new signees composite rating.
Which includes their ESPN player rating.
If I only Have bias options I’ll choose the composite of said bias options.
You’re just rejecting it because you like 1 bias option over another.
We get credit for all our commit’s composite rating.
Go look at our class and you can verify with our average rating, which includes the new signees composite rating.
Which includes their ESPN player rating.
If I only Have bias options I’ll choose the composite of said bias options.
You’re just rejecting it because you like 1 bias option over another.
Posted on 2/12/19 at 11:30 am to Buckeye Jeaux
Ask any statistician whether they would take an average over three samples or pick any one of the three samples.
You're hate towards 247's composite rankings were grounded in a misunderstanding on how the rankings were calculated until Sammy pointed it out to you.
Now you're just doubling down on your own ignorance.
In the end, the difference between the two is nil. We signed a good class with some excellent skill position players but probably should have closed on a few more lineman. Essentially, this class is similar to just about every Miles class that people love to complain about.
You're hate towards 247's composite rankings were grounded in a misunderstanding on how the rankings were calculated until Sammy pointed it out to you.
Now you're just doubling down on your own ignorance.
In the end, the difference between the two is nil. We signed a good class with some excellent skill position players but probably should have closed on a few more lineman. Essentially, this class is similar to just about every Miles class that people love to complain about.
Posted on 2/12/19 at 11:30 am to SammyTiger
quote:No they don't. They use an unverifiable algorithm - and you know damn well they do.
24/7 just averages the player ratings for each player.
Why are you pimping so hard for 24/7?
Posted on 2/12/19 at 11:33 am to Buckeye Jeaux
#3 with a kicker and a long snapper. That is pretty good.
Posted on 2/12/19 at 11:33 am to UpToPar
quote:Bull shite. Ask any statistician what they think of unverifiable algorithms. Science and math are all about verified results.
Ask any statistician whether they would take an average over three samples or pick any one of the three samples.
Unverifiable algorithms are junk science.
Posted on 2/12/19 at 11:36 am to Buckeye Jeaux
I dont Think they would like any of it given that the “stats” are arbitrary numbers that no one reveals how they come up with.
But I think They could probably figure out the algorithm is they tried hard.
But I think They could probably figure out the algorithm is they tried hard.
Posted on 2/12/19 at 11:36 am to Buckeye Jeaux
Why have you made it your crusade in life to attack the junk science of any stat or rank that you personally don’t agree with? Where are your rankings-complete with verifiable algorithms and verified results?
Posted on 2/12/19 at 11:36 am to Buckeye Jeaux
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Bull shite. Ask any statistician what they think of unverifiable algorithms. Science and math are all about verified results.
Unverifiable algorithms are junk science.
And what is verifiable about Rivals subjective rankings of players?
Naturally, if you have three separate entities subjectively rating players, and average of the three is going to be much more accurate than any one of the three subjective ratings. But you knew that....or maybe I'm giving you too much credit.
Keep on rambling about how 247's composite rankings are off because ESPN hasn't updated their team rankings. You've already put your ignorance on full display.
Posted on 2/12/19 at 11:38 am to UpToPar
Rivals ranking is a 6.1
How the frick do they get a 6.1?
What does that even mean?
How the frick do they get a 6.1?
What does that even mean?
Posted on 2/12/19 at 11:39 am to Buckeye Jeaux
Because I’d take an unverified algorhythm vs PURE opinion.
Posted on 2/12/19 at 11:42 am to SammyTiger
quote:An unverified algorithm IS pure opinion.
Because I’d take an unverified algorhythm vs PURE opinion.
Garbage in, garbage out.
It's like you're back in the 1980's... "these numbers were crunched through a computer spreadsheet program - so the MUST not be questioned !!! Too damn funny!
This post was edited on 2/12/19 at 11:45 am
Posted on 2/12/19 at 11:45 am to Buckeye Jeaux
quote:Can you post a link to Rival's verified algorithm and prove that their ranking of certain players over others isn't subjective?
And since they ARE NOT verifiable, they are just some dude's opinion. And easily manipulated to please the clients/funders of the service.
It is a know fact that rivals host camps and updates their rankings based off of how the athletes perform at their camps.
Kardell for example dominated at the rivals camp. Later in the year he struggled at some of the non-rivals camps. Yet Rivals didn't drop him for the poor performance like the other sites did. Why? My guess would be because that poor performance didn't take place at their camp. I would consider that bias.
This post was edited on 2/12/19 at 11:46 am
Posted on 2/12/19 at 11:48 am to Buckeye Jeaux
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It's like you're back in the 1980's... "these numbers were crunched through a computer spreadsheet program - so the MUST not be questioned !!! Too damn funny!
Nobody is saying they can't be questioned. Ranking high school players is inherently subjective and is always subject to scrutiny.
However, what you are arguing here is:
One service's subjective rankings >>>>>>> an average of three services' subjective rankings
Granted, you only pivoted to this point after it was pointed out that your initial understanding of the 247 composite rankings was completely wrong.
This post was edited on 2/12/19 at 11:49 am
Posted on 2/12/19 at 11:50 am to Buckeye Jeaux
Have you thought it just a really weird hill to die on?
Being a 24/7 Composite Truther?
I just Don’t think it’s really that big of a deal, and I like A number that pulls from various sources.
Realistically it probably assigned Rivals a 1-100# and takes out major outliers.
Can you point to one player that’s GREATLY misjudged based on the composite?
Being a 24/7 Composite Truther?
I just Don’t think it’s really that big of a deal, and I like A number that pulls from various sources.
Realistically it probably assigned Rivals a 1-100# and takes out major outliers.
Can you point to one player that’s GREATLY misjudged based on the composite?
This post was edited on 2/12/19 at 11:52 am
Posted on 2/12/19 at 11:51 am to Bayou_Tiger_225
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Can you post a link to Rival's verified algorithm and prove that their ranking of certain players over others isn't subjective?
It is a know fact that rivals host camps and updates their rankings based off of how the athletes perform at their camps.
No! I completely agree that Rivals rankings are biased. And 24/7's are just as biased. ut 24/7 has done a much better job of razzle-dazzling the public into believing that their numbers have been sanctified after passing thru their super-secret Magic-Black-Box.
Posted on 2/12/19 at 11:52 am to SammyTiger
He is only pivoting to that to save face.
He originally thought that Rivals >>> ESPN because ESPN has not updated their team rankings.
Then he argued that Rivals >>> 247 composite because 247 composite factors in ESPN team rankings which is incomplete.
It was only after you pointed out that the 247 composite is a composite of player rankings and not team rankings that he switched gears to save face.
He originally thought that Rivals >>> ESPN because ESPN has not updated their team rankings.
Then he argued that Rivals >>> 247 composite because 247 composite factors in ESPN team rankings which is incomplete.
It was only after you pointed out that the 247 composite is a composite of player rankings and not team rankings that he switched gears to save face.
Posted on 2/12/19 at 11:53 am to UpToPar
This dude is such a clown
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