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re: Congrats to Bertman and O'keefe for the above avg program
Posted on 12/5/09 at 9:36 pm to 31TIGERS
Posted on 12/5/09 at 9:36 pm to 31TIGERS
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Ok dumbarse, please explain to me how these players actually one games since it's obvious Miles wasn't coaching them. Were they being coached by prick $aban'$ spirit? You people never cease to amaze with the $aban love fest. It wouldn't matter who's coaching at LSU right now with some of the $aban blowhards. You people would still be bitching and complaing!
This thread is more about questioning why our administration did not try to buy an elite coach when they had a chance. It wasn't about Saban. Saban was just the example of how our previous administration went out and spent an unthinkable amount of money (at that time) to get a winner.
But as for Saban, he is 26-2 in his last 28 games in Tuscaloosa. I feel pretty certain that with his 3 recruiting classes that he has had at Bama, he could resign at Bama tomorrow, and they would still have a comparable 3 year run to Les Miles 2005, 2006, and 2007 seasons.
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Posted on 12/5/09 at 9:51 pm to montana
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We did a poll at TJ Ribs after DiNardo was let go. For whatever the time span was before Saban was hired, we had over a thousand ballots. Nick Saban had 3 votes. Terry Saban, Delane Emmert and one random vote.
Sam King did an article about the poll.
i remember this...i did put the front page of the sports page up from the day we signed him, it said "LSU's 6 million dollar man"
watching the sec champ. game today man me miss nick more than ever
Posted on 12/5/09 at 9:55 pm to Choupique19
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Unexplicably, when it looked like Les Miles was about to be hired away to Michigan, O'keefe and Bertman opened up the pocket book to overpay for the production that LSU had received (at that point there was no SEC title, and only a longshot chance at a national title).
No...Lombardi is responsible for Les' contract...not Skip.
Posted on 12/5/09 at 9:59 pm to jlc05
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No...Lombardi is responsible for Les' contract...not Skip.
If this is true, then I have wrongly bashed Skip. But I definitely feel that it was a knee-jerk reaction to the Michigan rumors (I still don't think he was getting offered that job). At that time I think the fan base had more wishing him well in Michigan than those begging for him to stay.
Posted on 12/5/09 at 10:03 pm to Choupique19
Yes...Lombardi and an attorney for LSU is responsible for the contract. I also thought it was Skip and Rocket Man's doing.
Posted on 12/5/09 at 10:08 pm to jlc05
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Lombardi and an attorney for LSU is responsible for the contract. I also thought it was Skip and Rocket Man's doing.
Well I do think that his contract got a big boost in the money department after the National Title, but I think the length of his contract, and the rollover for the 8 win seasons was before he even won the SEC title.
Posted on 12/6/09 at 7:23 am to Stevo
quote:It's coming from SEC college football homers like me who don't pay a lot of attention to Big Ten coaching, and aren't particularly in love with NFL/pro sports and who coaches where. Like I said before, all I really knew about Nick Saban back then was his team lost to our team and former coach in the bowl. All of a sudden, he's LSU's new coach and I wasn't thrilled. But I got happy real quick.
yeah, I don't get where this is coming from. I recall reading what a great hire it was for MSU when they got him.
Posted on 12/6/09 at 7:39 am to JawjaTigah
at all this revisionist history that Nick Saban was the hottest rising star that Emmert broke the bank (relatively speaking) to get. Hell, everyone was screaming how "None of Nick's assistants wanted to come with him to LSU!"
And no doubt it was some of the same whiny-asses that are now cluttering this board with nonsense and revisionist history.
Posted on 12/6/09 at 8:03 am to Choupique19
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Choupique19
frick you. You fricking overlook and downplay the fact that Les Miles got us that NC. That he voiced his loyalty to the program and took possession of it. Go suck a saban dick.
Posted on 12/6/09 at 8:06 am to sstig
sstig, If we win all but 2 games every year, but the 2 games we lose are the SEC championship, and the bowl games would you be happy with that. It not just the number of games you win. Look at last year Saban had a great year, but lost the last 2 therefore they accomplished nothing. I would not be happy if that was the way it played out year after year.
Posted on 12/6/09 at 8:07 am to Choupique19
very nicely said.
Posted on 12/6/09 at 9:21 am to InzachayoMayo
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That he voiced his loyalty to the program and took possession of it.
You're absolutely right. Les Miles has grabbed this program from Nick Saban and finally made it his own. 17-8 in the last two years. 8-8 in the SEC conference.
Posted on 12/6/09 at 9:27 am to Tiger_n_ATL
Interesting that Gundy and Pellini have both improved their programs while Les's has been going down.
Posted on 12/6/09 at 9:32 am to TheDoc
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Congrats to Bertman and O'keefe for the above avg program
It's not that big of a deal coming in second place in the west every year is it?
How would you or any of the other post whores know?
When you played,did ya'll win every year?
Posted on 12/6/09 at 9:46 am to Choupique19
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Congrats to Bertman and O'keefe for the above avg program
In December of 1999, Mark Emmert was the chancellor at LSU. He changed the landscape of hiring college football coaches when he hired Nick Saban away from Michigan State for 1.2 million dollars. Saban became the 3rd highest paid coach in the country before he ever put on a whistle at LSU. Within 2 years LSU had won the SEC title and a BCS bowl win in the Sugar Bowl. Two years after that came another SEC title and the national championship.
Mark Emmert left LSU, and Sean O'Keefe was hired to replace him. At the end of 2004, Nick Saban left LSU try the NFL. The two men in charge of hiring his replacement was O'Keefe and athletic director Skip Bertman. Instead of following Emmert's lead, and going out to buy the best coach available in the country, these two guys announced that the new coach would not be getting "Nick Saban money". After Nick Saban built a powerhouse program, we offered an above average salary to the next applicants for the job, and we got an above average coach. So O'keefe and Bertman settled for Less. Unexplicably, when it looked like Les Miles was about to be hired away to Michigan, O'keefe and Bertman opened up the pocket book to overpay for the production that LSU had received (at that point there was no SEC title, and only a longshot chance at a national title).
After 3 years of winning with great talent, LSU has had back to back regular seasons of 7-5 and 9-3. In the same time frame, Florida went out and bought the best coach available. Alabama also broke the bank to hire Saban back to college. The back to back regular season of those two teams are a combined 24-0 and 23-1.
Congrats on the above average program O'Keefe and Bertman, but at least we didn't have to pay "Nick Saban" money when we hired our coach in January of 2005.
No coach could have won with JL and JJ at QB. You Miles critics tend to ommit the biggest reason for Tiger slide which is poor QB play. Had Perriloux not been given the boot,Tigers would probably have won the West last yr.
How did Saban do in '02 when he lost Mauck in a game the Tigers had won. How did he do in '04 with first year QBs?
Awaiting your reply.
This post was edited on 12/6/09 at 9:47 am
Posted on 12/6/09 at 9:55 am to Bert Lyons 716
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Had Perriloux not been given the boot,Tigers would probably have won the West last yr.
Drew Brees would not have won the West with the pi** poor line play. I am truly amazed that anyone with eyesight who watches a Miles coached team can come away with any other conclusion than he is disorganized, dispassionate, and unprepared.
Posted on 12/6/09 at 10:03 am to Bert Lyons 716
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No coach could have won with JL and JJ at QB
So Les Miles had 3 full recruiting seasons, and another shortened one, to find top notch QB's to come to a top 3 program in the country (at that time). If LSU is lacking in QB play, it's Miles' fault.
I have heard that Les Miles doesn't want to commit to a full spread offense because if Jefferson gets hurt, his back-ups are not capable of running that style of offense. Well, who is in charge of recruiting the players. I don't see Paul Johnson at Georgia Tech recruiting pro-style QBs. You find the players to fit your system.
Posted on 12/6/09 at 10:21 am to Choupique19
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No coach could have won with JL and JJ at QB
So Les Miles had 3 full recruiting seasons, and another shortened one, to find top notch QB's to come to a top 3 program in the country (at that time). If LSU is lacking in QB play, it's Miles' fault.
I have heard that Les Miles doesn't want to commit to a full spread offense because if Jefferson gets hurt, his back-ups are not capable of running that style of offense. Well, who is in charge of recruiting the players. I don't see Paul Johnson at Georgia Tech recruiting pro-style QBs. You find the players to fit your system
LSU doesn't run the spread full time. Once again would Bama or Florida have won with JL and JJ this season and last?
Miles did recruit Perriloux. Guess Meyer caused Florida loss because he didn't recruit a big running back. Bama would not have won this yr with Star Jackson or McCarron at QB. You coach what you have.
What system did you play in? Did ya'll ever change it when a player got hurt?
Who should Miles have recruited to fit his system? Lee nor JJ is a spread QB. Neither is Garrett or the kid from Texas. LSU does not run the spread.
How did Stoops and Carroll do with first year QBs? Awaiting your answer.
Posted on 12/6/09 at 10:33 am to Choupique19
I'm ashamed that all you tiger fans(loosely) are conceding the wst to bama for the near futur. Bama loses 8 starters on d next year and finally has a sec schedule to match ours.
Posted on 12/6/09 at 10:36 am to Choupique19
[quote]Please strike the 1st three years of Miles records off of the books.
Why, sonnyboy? The facts bother you that much?
If you are watching what a former coach has done at another SEC school then you would realize the reason we won from 2005-2007.
I am watching, sonnyboy, but you are going to have to tell everyone what you think and expose yourself as a stupid jackass.
Please tell how Bama can be undefeated without a senior QB?
Because maybe he is a 4th year jr. who has been practicing and busting his arse and learning and getting better for 3 years before starting this year. Did you ever think of that sonnyboy?
Please tell me how LSU will magically jump Alabama in the SEC West because we are permantly behind them for the near future.
Unless you are God almighty, you don't know that, sonnyboy. You can apparently only wish it happens and that makes you a nickthemidger/gump fan.
I hope your happy with being 2nd in the West... at best
Let's see now sonnyboy. LSU leads in the 4th quarter until our qb, rb, mlb, center, and best db who had shut down the biggest bama recieving threat ALL go down. Then LSU is denied the chance to make a comeback on one of the most horrible officials calls of the last 20 years.
Want to tell everyone how the supposed bama juggernaut found itself behind until ALL of those things happened? Go ahead sonnyboy. I am sure some of your Miles hating pals will gather around and have a circle jerk in solidarity with you.
Why, sonnyboy? The facts bother you that much?
If you are watching what a former coach has done at another SEC school then you would realize the reason we won from 2005-2007.
I am watching, sonnyboy, but you are going to have to tell everyone what you think and expose yourself as a stupid jackass.
Please tell how Bama can be undefeated without a senior QB?
Because maybe he is a 4th year jr. who has been practicing and busting his arse and learning and getting better for 3 years before starting this year. Did you ever think of that sonnyboy?
Please tell me how LSU will magically jump Alabama in the SEC West because we are permantly behind them for the near future.
Unless you are God almighty, you don't know that, sonnyboy. You can apparently only wish it happens and that makes you a nickthemidger/gump fan.
I hope your happy with being 2nd in the West... at best
Let's see now sonnyboy. LSU leads in the 4th quarter until our qb, rb, mlb, center, and best db who had shut down the biggest bama recieving threat ALL go down. Then LSU is denied the chance to make a comeback on one of the most horrible officials calls of the last 20 years.
Want to tell everyone how the supposed bama juggernaut found itself behind until ALL of those things happened? Go ahead sonnyboy. I am sure some of your Miles hating pals will gather around and have a circle jerk in solidarity with you.
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