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Congrats to Bertman and O'keefe for the above avg program

Posted on 12/5/09 at 5:07 pm
Posted by Choupique19
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Posted on 12/5/09 at 5:07 pm
In December of 1999, Mark Emmert was the chancellor at LSU. He changed the landscape of hiring college football coaches when he hired Nick Saban away from Michigan State for 1.2 million dollars. Saban became the 3rd highest paid coach in the country before he ever put on a whistle at LSU. Within 2 years LSU had won the SEC title and a BCS bowl win in the Sugar Bowl. Two years after that came another SEC title and the national championship.

Mark Emmert left LSU, and Sean O'Keefe was hired to replace him. At the end of 2004, Nick Saban left LSU try the NFL. The two men in charge of hiring his replacement was O'Keefe and athletic director Skip Bertman. Instead of following Emmert's lead, and going out to buy the best coach available in the country, these two guys announced that the new coach would not be getting "Nick Saban money". After Nick Saban built a powerhouse program, we offered an above average salary to the next applicants for the job, and we got an above average coach. So O'keefe and Bertman settled for Less. Unexplicably, when it looked like Les Miles was about to be hired away to Michigan, O'keefe and Bertman opened up the pocket book to overpay for the production that LSU had received (at that point there was no SEC title, and only a longshot chance at a national title).

After 3 years of winning with great talent, LSU has had back to back regular seasons of 7-5 and 9-3. In the same time frame, Florida went out and bought the best coach available. Alabama also broke the bank to hire Saban back to college. The back to back regular season of those two teams are a combined 24-0 and 23-1.

Congrats on the above average program O'Keefe and Bertman, but at least we didn't have to pay "Nick Saban" money when we hired our coach in January of 2005.
Posted by specs1
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Posted on 12/5/09 at 5:11 pm to
Well stated.

Posted by Northwestern tiger
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Posted on 12/5/09 at 5:13 pm to
Sticky
Posted by TheDoc
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Posted on 12/5/09 at 5:13 pm to
It's not that big of a deal coming in second place in the west every year is it?
Posted by JawjaTigah
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Posted on 12/5/09 at 5:15 pm to
quote:

Congrats on the above average program O'Keefe and Bertman, but at least we didn't have to pay "Nick Saban" money when we hired our coach in January of 2005.
Brutal, but the ring of truth does chime there.
Posted by Choupique19
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Member since Sep 2005
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Posted on 12/5/09 at 5:17 pm to
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second place in the west every year is it?


2008 was not 2nd place in the West, and 2009 needed an Egg Bowl upset for the Tigers to finish 2nd in the West. So even those propping Miles up shouldn't be able to say this.
Posted by pellietigersaint
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Posted on 12/5/09 at 5:17 pm to
pussy
Posted by Tiger_n_ATL
Atlanta
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Posted on 12/5/09 at 5:17 pm to
Money talks and bullshite walks. Imagine how Miles must have felt when they overpaid for him, he must have thought he hit the lottery.
Posted by TheDoc
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Posted on 12/5/09 at 5:17 pm to
A lot of fans seems to be okay with second place in the west every year.

Does anyone honestly think miles will ever outcoach saban?
Posted by TheDoc
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Posted on 12/5/09 at 5:19 pm to
Yeah. Third place in the west is cool.
Posted by Choupique19
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Posted on 12/5/09 at 5:21 pm to
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pussy


So it's my fault that I pointed out that Mark Emmert wanted a top 10 college football program, so he paid the money to get it. The hire in 2004-05 was made with the thinking of "We'd like a good coach, but we're not paying too much."
Posted by genuineLSUtiger
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Posted on 12/5/09 at 5:27 pm to
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Imagine how Miles must have felt when they overpaid for him, he must have thought he hit the lottery


Literally laughing his arse off at LSU I'm sure. Probably thinking "don't they know I'm Les Freaking Miles?".
Posted by sstig
Houston
Member since Oct 2003
2769 posts
Posted on 12/5/09 at 5:35 pm to
51-14, stfu
some of you are beyond idiots. It would be tuff to have a 9-3 year with a senior qb. Good lord.
Posted by Choupique19
The cheap seats
Member since Sep 2005
61784 posts
Posted on 12/5/09 at 5:39 pm to
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51-14, stfu
some of you are beyond idiots. It would be tuff to have a 9-3 year with a senior qb. Good lord.


Please strike the 1st three years of Miles records off of the books. If you are watching what a former coach has done at another SEC school then you would realize the reason we won from 2005-2007. Please tell how Bama can be undefeated without a senior QB? Please tell me how LSU will magically jump Alabama in the SEC West because we are permantly behind them for the near future. I hope your happy with being 2nd in the West... at best.
This post was edited on 12/5/09 at 5:40 pm
Posted by diehardfan
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Posted on 12/5/09 at 5:40 pm to
Well put.
Posted by DHEAT250F
jeff city, mo
Member since Sep 2007
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Posted on 12/5/09 at 5:40 pm to
Speaking of opening the pocket book for coaches. Is there a limit on how many coaches a team can have because if so Alabama is sure in violation of that rule. Alabama's coaching budget must be unreal!
Posted by Geaux Shaggy
Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 12/5/09 at 5:42 pm to
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DHEAT250F



You do realize Tennessee not Alabama has the highest paid coaching staff in SEC if not the country.
Posted by Stevo
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2004
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Posted on 12/5/09 at 5:44 pm to
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Instead of following Emmert's lead, and going out to buy the best coach available in the country, these two guys announced that the new coach would not be getting "Nick Saban money".


There was no one available worthy of Nick Saban money. You don't just pay that kind of money unless the coach is worth it. This is what most of you Rantards don't understand- there are only a handful of proven coaches at the D1 level, and none were interested in LSU.
This post was edited on 12/5/09 at 5:47 pm
Posted by Antonio Moss
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Member since Mar 2006
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Posted on 12/5/09 at 5:48 pm to
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There was no one available worthy of Nick Saban money. You don't just pay that kind of money unless the coach is worth. This is what most of you Rantards don't understand- there are only a handful of proven coaches at the D1 level, and none were interested in LSU.


Close, but not entirely true.

Most of the top coaching prospects had already gotten jobs because Saban waited so late to announce his departure. Jack Del Rio was also interested but couldn't talk to us due to contract restrictions until his team was out of the playoffs. We hired Miles on a Friday and the Jaguars lost that Sunday.
Posted by bayoubaer
BRLA
Member since Sep 2009
553 posts
Posted on 12/5/09 at 5:49 pm to
Lavall+Miles=Bertman as an AD
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