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re: Congrats to Bertman and O'keefe for the above avg program
Posted on 12/5/09 at 6:34 pm to Stevo
Posted on 12/5/09 at 6:34 pm to Stevo
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Also, when he was first hired here, most were very happy as Nick was known to be a defensive guru and a coach on the rise. Again, the hire was widely touted as a great one for LSU.
This.
As much as people want to revise history, the truth still is the truth.
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Posted on 12/5/09 at 6:39 pm to hashtag
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The problem I have with the hire is this. If you would've ranked every head coach of all 119 NCAA teams based on their records and what they have acheived, Les Miles would not have been in the top 25. I'm guessing that he probably wasn't in the top 50.
Even today, there's very few can't miss hires. I don't know where Les would have been ranked when we hired him, but I believe that he would have been ranked in the top 50 of up and coming coaches, probably the top 25. One thing Les can do well, at least so far, is recruit. Hope it doesn't fall off because he's struggling in spite of our opportunity to finish in top 10 this year.
Posted on 12/5/09 at 6:40 pm to Choupique19
I'm shedding tears at that...
Posted on 12/5/09 at 6:42 pm to drizztiger
We did a poll at TJ Ribs after DiNardo was let go. For whatever the time span was before Saban was hired, we had over a thousand ballots. Nick Saban had 3 votes. Terry Saban, Delane Emmert and one random vote.
Sam King did an article about the poll.
Sam King did an article about the poll.
Posted on 12/5/09 at 6:43 pm to montana
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We did a poll at TJ Ribs
Posted on 12/5/09 at 6:44 pm to Antonio Moss
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Jack Del Rio was also interested but couldn't talk to us due to contract restrictions until his team was out of the playoffs.
What has Jack Del Rio done to be considerd for a head coaching job @ LSU?
Posted on 12/5/09 at 6:46 pm to montana
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Nick Saban had 3 votes.
and Spurrier had the other 997. Saban came out of nowhere as a candidate for LSU, but he was hardly an unknown. He was a well known rising star in the coaching ranks.
This post was edited on 12/5/09 at 6:47 pm
Posted on 12/5/09 at 6:47 pm to windriver
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What has Jack Del Rio done to be considerd for a head coaching job @ LSU?
1) NFL head coach 2) whose daughter was a student at LSU at the time.
Posted on 12/5/09 at 6:52 pm to Antonio Moss
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) NFL head coach 2) whose daughter was a student at LSU at the time.
most any NFL coach should always be considered, but it is a whole different deal, especially recruiting. Recruiting is the #1 predictor of success in the NCAA. Many NFL coaches have failed at the NCAA level because they couldn't recruit.
Posted on 12/5/09 at 6:56 pm to Choupique19
The most maddening thing about the Bammers assertion that "things are reverting back to normal" is THAT IT DOESN'T frickING HAVE TO BE THIS WAY.
Great program w/ tradition, a naturally-amazing recruiting base--LSU doesn't **HAVE** to play second-fiddle to anyone in the SEC West.
Great program w/ tradition, a naturally-amazing recruiting base--LSU doesn't **HAVE** to play second-fiddle to anyone in the SEC West.
Posted on 12/5/09 at 6:59 pm to ffhouston
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LSU doesn't **HAVE** to play second-fiddle to anyone in the SEC West.
Even with Saban there, we can battle them every year. Unfortunately, with this staff, I think that any recruit choosing between the purple and the crimson will go with the best coaching staff. That's not good for LSU. If LSU wouldn't have panicked in 2007, we might could be battling them, but as it is, were going to be behind them hoping to pull an upset.
Posted on 12/5/09 at 7:01 pm to Choupique19
A buddy of mine had a great analogy...
LSU football with Les Miles is in the same shape as Kentucky basketball was with Tubby Smith. Tubby won a national title after Rick Pitino left, and he always won just enough to keep his job. Meanwhile, Pitino came back to their big rival and started winning immediately. The two situations are very similar, and unfortunately after the Ole Miss game we are now just counting down the days until Miles loses enough that he can be replaced.
LSU football with Les Miles is in the same shape as Kentucky basketball was with Tubby Smith. Tubby won a national title after Rick Pitino left, and he always won just enough to keep his job. Meanwhile, Pitino came back to their big rival and started winning immediately. The two situations are very similar, and unfortunately after the Ole Miss game we are now just counting down the days until Miles loses enough that he can be replaced.
Posted on 12/5/09 at 7:01 pm to Choupique19
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In December of 1999, Mark Emmert was the chancellor at LSU. He changed the landscape of hiring college football coaches when he hired Nick Saban away from Michigan State for 1.2 million dollars. Saban became the 3rd highest paid coach in the country before he ever put on a whistle at LSU. Within 2 years LSU had won the SEC title and a BCS bowl win in the Sugar Bowl. Two years after that came another SEC title and the national championship.
Mark Emmert left LSU, and Sean O'Keefe was hired to replace him. At the end of 2004, Nick Saban left LSU try the NFL. The two men in charge of hiring his replacement was O'Keefe and athletic director Skip Bertman. Instead of following Emmert's lead, and going out to buy the best coach available in the country, these two guys announced that the new coach would not be getting "Nick Saban money". After Nick Saban built a powerhouse program, we offered an above average salary to the next applicants for the job, and we got an above average coach. So O'keefe and Bertman settled for Less. Unexplicably, when it looked like Les Miles was about to be hired away to Michigan, O'keefe and Bertman opened up the pocket book to overpay for the production that LSU had received (at that point there was no SEC title, and only a longshot chance at a national title).
After 3 years of winning with great talent, LSU has had back to back regular seasons of 7-5 and 9-3. In the same time frame, Florida went out and bought the best coach available. Alabama also broke the bank to hire Saban back to college. The back to back regular season of those two teams are a combined 24-0 and 23-1.
Congrats on the above average program O'Keefe and Bertman, but at least we didn't have to pay "Nick Saban" money when we hired our coach in January of 2005.
This.
Also, those two clowns continue to be an anchor dragging the program down with that asinine contract the two of them negotiated with Miles' agent Bass.
Posted on 12/5/09 at 7:01 pm to Choupique19
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That's not good for LSU. If LSU wouldn't have panicked in 2007, we might could be battling them
The panic couldn't be more evident than in Miles' new contract that LSU walked into, face first. It is the worst business move I've seen a large enterprise enter in a long time. We will be stuck with Les for a loooong time.
Posted on 12/5/09 at 7:07 pm to ISDSTiger
Wow! That Kentucky analogy is dead on
Posted on 12/5/09 at 7:08 pm to ISDSTiger
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The panic couldn't be more evident than in Miles' new contract that LSU walked into, face first. It is the worst business move I've seen a large enterprise enter in a long time. We will be stuck with Les for a loooong time.
Yes.
I remember amusingly smiling at the March for Miles. I didn't go, but I thought it was a good show of support for the LSU coach. But the truth was that about 80% of the fan base was trying to help Miles pack his bags to Michigan. This was the week after losing to a sub-.500 team in Arkansas at home with the national title game in our hands.
We've all put on a good front to fight of the Bammers and other SEC fans that have taunted us, but we knew deep down inside that the rumbling from Tuscaloosa was going to be a big issue for Les Miles. I'm not sure you could find any fan base in the SEC that would want to hire our coach.
Posted on 12/5/09 at 7:28 pm to TheDoc
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It's not that big of a deal coming in second place in the west every year is it
Ahhhh what a perfect way to sum up the problem with the LSU fanbase. We are (most notably the 30+ crowd) content with mediocrity. I'll bet that most of them were so used to seeing Bama dominate us all those years that they actually felt uncomfortable being on top the past couple of years. It's all pretty simple really, hire a mediocre coach, expect mediocrity.
Posted on 12/5/09 at 7:36 pm to blowmeauburn
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We are (most notably the 30+ crowd) content with mediocrity. I'll bet that most of them were so used to seeing Bama dominate us all those years that they actually felt uncomfortable being on top the past couple of years. It's all pretty simple really, hire a mediocre coach, expect mediocrity.
not sure who is content with mediocrity or what they do to make you think that they're content with it, but I love to laugh at those who propose that we fire Les right now, when he has a chance to beat Penn State and have LSU finish in top 10. I laugh because there's a complete lack of understanding on how things are done in college football. Les just isn't going to be fired 2 years after a NC and finishing with a 9-3 record. I think LSU is struggling on many levels, but Les isn't going anywhere this year, or next. Just the way it is.
Posted on 12/5/09 at 7:38 pm to Stevo
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not sure who is content with mediocrity or what they do to make you think that they're content with it, but I love to laugh at those who propose that we fire Les right now, when he has a chance to beat Penn State and have LSU finish in top 10. I laugh because there's a complete lack of understanding on how things are done in college football. Les just isn't going to be fired 2 years after a NC and finishing with a
I think everyone is well aware of that. That is why it hurts so much. I basically just shake my head in disappointment.
This post was edited on 12/5/09 at 7:39 pm
Posted on 12/5/09 at 7:43 pm to blowmeauburn
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I think everyone is well aware of that. That is why it hurts so much. I basically just shake my head in disappointment.
so, who is content with mediocrity?
This post was edited on 12/5/09 at 7:47 pm
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